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joelr
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Post subject: I actually considered... Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:40 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:43 am Posts: 7970 Location: Minneapolis MN
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... getting one as a prop for my classes, as a Thing Not to Do. But then I'd have had to actually have one of those silly things. Yucko.
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Janitor
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:29 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:46 pm Posts: 92 Location: Lakeville, MN
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Hmmm. You use an overhead in your class presentations, yes? Get a good photo of one and put it up while discussing CCW Don'ts.
It would be a nice prop to show n00bs, but if any of your friends found out you actually gave money to one of the people selling these things ...
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lance22
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Post subject: More than a prop Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:18 am |
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Besides being a great prop, you will also find it useful for making citizen's arrests in 50 states plus Mexico and Canada.
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ttousi
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Post subject: CCW Badges Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:59 pm |
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Andrew, thanks for posting the picture of the badge..... I downloaded it and now have it in my powerpoint as a "dumb idea" item. Saved me the embarrassment of buying one.[/quote]
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:14 am |
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Brewman
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Post subject: Re: CCW Badges Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:00 am |
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Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:39 pm Posts: 1132 Location: Prior Lake, MN
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ttousi wrote: Andrew, thanks for posting the picture of the badge..... I downloaded it and now have it in my powerpoint as a "dumb idea" item. Saved me the embarrassment of buying one.
Not to mention enriching those who sell them.
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1911fan
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:58 pm |
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Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:18 pm Posts: 1689 Location: 35 W and Hiway 10
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in many states (i am trying to look up the old forum posting to find it) such a badge is explicitly proscribed as "attempting to impersonate" a member of law enforcement. These badges just are for mall ninja wanabe's, Further more somestates have restrictions on the lettering that you can wear on your clothing. Insome states (I believe Penn.) wearing a jacket or shirt emblazoned with POLICE or SWAT is not legal by reason that is creates the impression of authority.
I can not imagine any possible use for this kind of badge, worse reaching for it under a stressfull situation is much more likely to get you shot by a nervous cop than anypossible help it might be.
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Brewman
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:08 am |
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I don't see why anyone who isn't a cop would want people to think they were.
In the deputy reserve unit I volunteer with, we're forbidden to wear any of our uniform or other issued gear ID'ing us as deputies unless specifically told to. It's for our protection, as we're not licensed PD, are not armed, and don't have any more authority than any citizen, unless working under the direct orders of a licensed cop.
Setting yourself up this way is just asking for trouble.
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igotoofar
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Post subject: Re: CCW Badges Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:30 am |
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Surprisingly, impersonating an officer is only a misdemeanor.
Still a stupid idea!!
609.475 Impersonating officer.
Whoever falsely impersonates a police or military officer
or public official with intent to mislead another into believing
that the impersonator is actually such officer or official is
guilty of a misdemeanor.
ttousi wrote: That badge looks good enough to be charged with "impersonating an officer", which I believe could be a felony. Wannabe is the right term. I say give them a choice...badge OR firearm.
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joelr
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Post subject: "only" Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:03 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:43 am Posts: 7970 Location: Minneapolis MN
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"Only" and "misdemeanor" don't go together real well, in my opinion. An ordinary misdemeanor conviction can send you to jail for up to 90 [thanks for the correction, pakrat] days; a gross misdemeanor conviction can send you to jail for up to a year.
Me, I'd prefer to simply avoid the whole jail thing in the first place, and if I can help do that by not carrying a stupid carry permit badge, that's not a tough choice.
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Pakrat
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:41 am |
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Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:56 am Posts: 2422 Location: Hopkins, MN
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misdemeanor is up to 90 days in jail.
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dcwn.45
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:33 pm |
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Sorry guys,but I believe 2 pages of "ccw badge "chat is a sure sign of a new gun forumn.Has anyone ever been to packing.org orTFL or anywhere else where ccw is discussed? This issue has been beaten to death many times over.I propose a lifetime ban on the disscussion of these bleeping badges.
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"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." --Col. Jeff Cooper
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goalie
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:56 pm |
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Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:48 pm Posts: 429 Location: Minnetonka
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So does this mean I am not cool when I flash my CCW weapons permit holder badge??!?!?
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joelr
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:37 pm |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:43 am Posts: 7970 Location: Minneapolis MN
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goalie wrote: So does this mean I am not cool when I flash my CCW weapons permit holder badge??!?!? Well, yes, it does. The chicks don't like it either.
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chuckw
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Post subject: Lots of mixed issues in this topic Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:13 am |
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Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:59 pm Posts: 84 Location: Minnetonka
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Okay, just for the sake of playing devil's advocate, I'd like to point out that this topic tends to bring out lots of dismissive comments without asking "for what".
If you're getting a ccw badge so that you can wave it while you're pointing your gun at someone and attempting to perform an arrest, well, I think we'd all agree that's stupid, and likely to get you arrested.
If you plan to wear it on your shirt - advertising the fact that you have a gun, it's also not wise. Bad guys may shoot you first just because they think you're a cop. Little old ladies may expect you to arrest a purse snatcher. All bad.
Now we come to wearing it next to your holster under your jacket... I've often thought that this would reduce the chance that an inadvertent display would frighten people. If they saw the flash of gold at the same time they saw a gun they'd automatically assume you're a cop. Yes there are downsides to this, but it would seem to reduce the chance you'd walk out of starbucks into police responding to a "man with a gun" call.
So, does wearing some type of badge automatically make you guilty of "impersonating an officer"? I would think a lot of rent-a-cops would be guilty of that. It looks to me like MN state law only seems to get upset if you put the seals of the US or MN on the badge.
Finally, is the plus of having fewer nervous nellies calling the cops when they see a gun, outweighed by the cons? Can we say that if you have to use your gun you're going to be in deeper trouble because you had a ccw badge on your belt?
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