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Scott Hughes wrote:

It is probably this one:

BROOKLYN CENTER
5915 John Martin Dr.
Brooklyn Center, MN 55430
763-560-6420

Hopefully Moby can verify.

akodo wrote:

I am familiar enough with the MNPPA that I know even if the store isn't posted and they want you to leave, staying is trouble.

Here's my question. Lets say you are concealing and they don't notice, you order your plate of pancakes and a cup of coffee. After eating your pancakes you sit and chat while taking advantage of the free refills, and you take off your outer shirt revealing your gun.

Managment comes up to you and asks you to leave.

Can you legally just stand up and walk out, or are you required to pay for the food. What if the meal is not finished?

akodo wrote:

Andrew Rothman wrote:

The last thing we need is word to get out that people show their guns in order to dine and dash.

ree wrote:

Well I think we all (and those on THR) had a positive impact.

I just got a call from Bill at Perkins (I honestly don't know if he's the regional manager mentioned earlier). He says he's talked with several of us and admits that we "brought some things to light" that they hadn't considered. He says that, prior to this incident, they really had no policy concerning firearms. Now that they understand where we're coming from, he says they aren't going to have a policy stating they're for carry or against it but rather will consider the individual circumstances.

I reemphasized the requirements for legal carry, that a lot of of us understand the potentially dire repercussions of using a firearm when not warranted, that it's not a tool for intimidation, that we do understand that crowded restaurants present lots of challenges to safely using a firearm, that more people carry than he likely realized before this incident, that lots of us don't carry because we expect something bad to happen at dinner or wherever we're going, but that occasionally bad things do happen even in family neighborhood restaurants (a subtle allusion to Suzanna Hupp's experiences). I didn't raise the topic of open carry, but Bill did specifically use the phrase "but if it's coming out of it's secure holster," when talking about looking at the individual circumstances. So I suspect that a decent looking person OCing might just pass muster, at least with him, if not the local store staff.

I'm pretty sure everything I said above is accurate, but it's from my memory. I didn't record the call. Hopefully, others are getting the same message.

tman065 wrote:

Moby Clarke wrote:

I got a call from the regional manager today. Bottom line, per his boss, they do not want gun owners in their stores spending our money. I asked if that included those who conceal and he said they want no guns, period. They would rather we take our money elsewhere than carry a gun, concealed or open, into their restaurants. I thanked the man for his honesty and told him I would pass on their wishes.

I will have a word with the manager up here. I never get bothered when my whole group open carries on Sunday nights. Of course, we're in uniform, but what's the difference?

:roll:

joelr wrote:

tman065 wrote:

I will have a word with the manager up here. I never get bothered when my whole group open carries on Sunday nights. Of course, we're in uniform, but what's the difference?

:roll:

There's reasons why lots of us guys without badges like you, you know.

Author:	Moby Clarke [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
Scott Hughes wrote: It is probably this one: BROOKLYN CENTER 5915 John Martin Dr. Brooklyn Center, MN 55430 763-560-6420 Hopefully Moby can verify. Yes, that is the location. Thanks guys.

Author:	ssax [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
I just sent one. Hope we get some action on this.

Author:	akodo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:39 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
I am familiar enough with the MNPPA that I know even if the store isn't posted and they want you to leave, staying is trouble. Here's my question. Lets say you are concealing and they don't notice, you order your plate of pancakes and a cup of coffee. After eating your pancakes you sit and chat while taking advantage of the free refills, and you take off your outer shirt revealing your gun. Managment comes up to you and asks you to leave. Can you legally just stand up and walk out, or are you required to pay for the food. What if the meal is not finished?

Author:	bstrawse [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
akodo wrote: I am familiar enough with the MNPPA that I know even if the store isn't posted and they want you to leave, staying is trouble. Here's my question. Lets say you are concealing and they don't notice, you order your plate of pancakes and a cup of coffee. After eating your pancakes you sit and chat while taking advantage of the free refills, and you take off your outer shirt revealing your gun. Managment comes up to you and asks you to leave. Can you legally just stand up and walk out, or are you required to pay for the food. What if the meal is not finished? Legal or not, I think the right thing to do is to pay for your food. b

Author:	tullibee [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
akodo wrote: I am familiar enough with the MNPPA that I know even if the store isn't posted and they want you to leave, staying is trouble. Here's my question. Lets say you are concealing and they don't notice, you order your plate of pancakes and a cup of coffee. After eating your pancakes you sit and chat while taking advantage of the free refills, and you take off your outer shirt revealing your gun. Managment comes up to you and asks you to leave. Can you legally just stand up and walk out, or are you required to pay for the food. What if the meal is not finished? IANAL, but I agree with bstrawse. If I were still in the middle of the meal, I'd politely ask for it to be wrapped up to-go. if the food hadn't gotten to the table yet, then I'd pay for any beverages I've had and not for the food (or see if it's almost ready and if so, have it set up to-go). It's great to be extra polite about it, but also loud enough so that the rest of the customers around you get informed what is going on and see that you're being so polite and they're throwing you out over carrying a tool - makes the restaurant manager look dopey! If it ever happens to me, I hope I'll say something like "I'll happily leave since you insist, but I don't understand what all the fuss is about over someone carrying a simple tool for their own personal protection. What is it about self-defense that makes you so uncomfortable?" who knows - asking the question might lead to a positive conversation and potential converts - if not them, maybe other patrons nearby.

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Author:	Andrew Rothman [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
If you haven't finished your meal, and they ask you to leave, just leave. When you buy a meal at a restaurant, you are paying for the food, the table service, the plate, the fork, the spoon, the refills, and the seat. If they don't want to sell that to you, there's no reason to pay for it. Reasonably, however, if you're done eating anyway, you should pay. The last thing we need is word to get out that people show their guns in order to dine and dash.

Author:	Scott Hughes [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
Andrew Rothman wrote: The last thing we need is word to get out that people show their guns in order to dine and dash. Thanks Andrew Pay the meal ticket and tell them you won't be back. And you'll spread the word, the food is so-so at best, and the hospitality is the pits

Author:	Traveler [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
Perkins in Maplewood (just south of the Ramsey County Farm and golf course) had a sign up (No Guns) but that was taken down over a year ago. They do have other issues however: When asked a few months ago why my steak was not prepared as I had asked (topped off with Lawry's, garlic bits, and worchestershire sauce) the waitress (a morning stalwart who has been there for years) enlightened me that the menu notation "prepared to order" meant that they prepare the steak as the cook wants, not as the patrons desire. (Not a joke.) When I asked if the same statement used in the menu for eggs meant that the cook would select either poached, scrambled, over easy, etc, for each patron, she just walked away without saying a word. An email to the home office elicited sympathy, but then I received a phone call from the store manager who told me that their cook had been with them for years, knows how to prepare steaks, and that my patronage would not be welcome any longer. I wouldn't recommend Perkins to my worst enemy, whether they accept those that carry or not.

Author:	bstrawse [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
I've not heard a thing from Perkins other than the initial email - has anyone else? b

Author:	mrokern [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
Nope. Not that I particularly give a shit about debate as long as they change the rotten policy. Their food has been crap for awhile now anyways. I end up there only because I have family that seems to think it's good. But at least my family understands, and is willing to meet up elsewhere a couple times a month.

Author:	realtor_packing_heat [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
I have not heard a thing either.

Author:	ree [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
Well I think we all (and those on THR) had a positive impact. I just got a call from Bill at Perkins (I honestly don't know if he's the regional manager mentioned earlier). He says he's talked with several of us and admits that we "brought some things to light" that they hadn't considered. He says that, prior to this incident, they really had no policy concerning firearms. Now that they understand where we're coming from, he says they aren't going to have a policy stating they're for carry or against it but rather will consider the individual circumstances. I reemphasized the requirements for legal carry, that a lot of of us understand the potentially dire repercussions of using a firearm when not warranted, that it's not a tool for intimidation, that we do understand that crowded restaurants present lots of challenges to safely using a firearm, that more people carry than he likely realized before this incident, that lots of us don't carry because we expect something bad to happen at dinner or wherever we're going, but that occasionally bad things do happen even in family neighborhood restaurants (a subtle allusion to Suzanna Hupp's experiences). I didn't raise the topic of open carry, but Bill did specifically use the phrase "but if it's coming out of it's secure holster," when talking about looking at the individual circumstances. So I suspect that a decent looking person OCing might just pass muster, at least with him, if not the local store staff. I'm pretty sure everything I said above is accurate, but it's from my memory. I didn't record the call. Hopefully, others are getting the same message.

Author:	mrokern [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
ree wrote: Well I think we all (and those on THR) had a positive impact. I just got a call from Bill at Perkins (I honestly don't know if he's the regional manager mentioned earlier). He says he's talked with several of us and admits that we "brought some things to light" that they hadn't considered. He says that, prior to this incident, they really had no policy concerning firearms. Now that they understand where we're coming from, he says they aren't going to have a policy stating they're for carry or against it but rather will consider the individual circumstances. I reemphasized the requirements for legal carry, that a lot of of us understand the potentially dire repercussions of using a firearm when not warranted, that it's not a tool for intimidation, that we do understand that crowded restaurants present lots of challenges to safely using a firearm, that more people carry than he likely realized before this incident, that lots of us don't carry because we expect something bad to happen at dinner or wherever we're going, but that occasionally bad things do happen even in family neighborhood restaurants (a subtle allusion to Suzanna Hupp's experiences). I didn't raise the topic of open carry, but Bill did specifically use the phrase "but if it's coming out of it's secure holster," when talking about looking at the individual circumstances. So I suspect that a decent looking person OCing might just pass muster, at least with him, if not the local store staff. I'm pretty sure everything I said above is accurate, but it's from my memory. I didn't record the call. Hopefully, others are getting the same message. In light of this, I'll tell the family that we CAN meet them at Perkins next time. I can still handle the quesadillas. -Mark

Author:	joelr [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
tman065 wrote: Moby Clarke wrote: I got a call from the regional manager today. Bottom line, per his boss, they do not want gun owners in their stores spending our money. I asked if that included those who conceal and he said they want no guns, period. They would rather we take our money elsewhere than carry a gun, concealed or open, into their restaurants. I thanked the man for his honesty and told him I would pass on their wishes. I will have a word with the manager up here. I never get bothered when my whole group open carries on Sunday nights. Of course, we're in uniform, but what's the difference? There's reasons why lots of us guys without badges like you, you know.

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Author:	ree [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Perkins near Brookdale
joelr wrote: tman065 wrote: I will have a word with the manager up here. I never get bothered when my whole group open carries on Sunday nights. Of course, we're in uniform, but what's the difference? There's reasons why lots of us guys without badges like you, you know. +1 The next time I get pulled over (if ever), I hope its by tman065 or one of his like minded colleagues.