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Are we forgetting that the Secret Service is a Federal LE organization and as such, most firearm laws exempt them any way?


The signs don't apply to Minnesota LEO's either. People without permits cannot carry in a public place, so the signs only apply to permit holders that choose to obey the signs.


That's what I get for being too specific I guess. I'll just bet you that Secret Service Agents have much broader exemptions than even MN LEO's in these situations. Perhaps I'm wrong but It's a suspicion I have that there are more exemptions for Fed LEO's than state LEO's. Maybe they don't apply here but you get the drift.


I'll bet the Mayo has no problems with anyone's security detail, providing they're paying CASH for the Mayo's services. It's just the "great unwashed" that these types have problems with!
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plblark wrote:
Dick Unger wrote:
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Are we forgetting that the Secret Service is a Federal LE organization and as such, most firearm laws exempt them any way?


The signs don't apply to Minnesota LEO's either. People without permits cannot carry in a public place, so the signs only apply to permit holders that choose to obey the signs.


That's what I get for being too specific I guess. I'll just bet you that Secret Service Agents have much broader exemptions than even MN LEO's in these situations. Perhaps I'm wrong but It's a suspicion I have that there are more exemptions for Fed LEO's than state LEO's. Maybe they don't apply here but you get the drift.


Minnesota law would not apply to people in the service of the federal government. Most of the time federal people are told to follow local law. But soldiers and secret service or FBI agents can carry on the authority of their commander as I understand it. Same for driving if they choose. Think of a military convoy. Unlicensed vehicles, and they stop other traffic on their own authority. But they try to remain non-controversial.

Maybe an LEO can tell us whether they are allowed to arrest a
federal agent for a minor offense. I'd bet there is a different procedure.


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I hove been just about living down there the last three months and I know the signs were up just before christmas but are gone now, I carried each and every time I entered the complex and not once was I discouraged from doing so. And yes, I had to change several times, I just kept a small book bag with me all the time and kept it in there if i had to remove it from my belt. The only times I allowed it to leave my sight was during two MRI's, and for that they offered locking lockers and locking dressing rooms for which you keep the key, and on the two occasions I was put under, my wife kept my bag with her the whole time.

I had two Doctors who noticed the holster and commented on the design and one asked what I was carrying, it was clear he was a shooter. The other MD just smiled at it and said I was not alone at all in carrying.
Regarding the great unwashed comment, I really feel there is no better place on earth to seek medical attention. I was treated with the greatest of respect and dignity in all things, even when I was not really able to be dignified in any way. Not once did I ever feel as though I was just a patient like at some of the other hospitals I have been going to. The only other place I would put on par with the Mayo is Shriner's for kids.

While I was there, someone from a middle eastern country was there, She was dressed in western clothes and I only saw her as I was in a restricted area and she and her entourage walked past and I was able to catch a glimpse. She smiled as she walked past, her escorts I don't think knew how to smile, man, they were some serious looking dudes. The one sort of stopped at my doorway and semi blocked the view as she walked past, a smile and a nod in his direction got absolutely NO reaction. The only slip I got from anyone there was one younger attendants comment to another who started a sentence "Her Highn....She wants to eat lunch soon, can she eat now...."

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I hove been just about living down there the last three months and I know the signs were up just before christmas but are gone now, I carried each and every time I entered the complex and not once was I discouraged from doing so. And yes, I had to change several times, I just kept a small book bag with me all the time and kept it in there if i had to remove it from my belt. The only times I allowed it to leave my sight was during two MRI's, and for that they offered locking lockers and locking dressing rooms for which you keep the key, and on the two occasions I was put under, my wife kept my bag with her the whole time.

I had two Doctors who noticed the holster and commented on the design and one asked what I was carrying, it was clear he was a shooter. The other MD just smiled at it and said I was not alone at all in carrying.
Regarding the great unwashed comment, I really feel there is no better place on earth to seek medical attention. I was treated with the greatest of respect and dignity in all things, even when I was not really able to be dignified in any way. Not once did I ever feel as though I was just a patient like at some of the other hospitals I have been going to. The only other place I would put on par with the Mayo is Shriner's for kids.

While I was there, someone from a middle eastern country was there, She was dressed in western clothes and I only saw her as I was in a restricted area and she and her entourage walked past and I was able to catch a glimpse. She smiled as she walked past, her escorts I don't think knew how to smile, man, they were some serious looking dudes. The one sort of stopped at my doorway and semi blocked the view as she walked past, a smile and a nod in his direction got absolutely NO reaction. The only slip I got from anyone there was one younger attendants comment to another who started a sentence "Her Highn....She wants to eat lunch soon, can she eat now...."


It is good to hear that you have had a few good experiences.

When I did research down there, I was blown away at how good the doctors are. If I ever have anything that I think is seriously wrong with me, I am going there.

When you can rent an entire wing of the Mayo for months, buy the local dealerships out of vehicals and not blink about it being done, you can hire good security.


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Is'nt Mayo a teaching Hospital!!!????
Thats the reason the signs came down at University/Fairview, the U can't ban, therefore all the signs at Fairview came down :D :D :D :D
As for those coming to Mayo in their 727's 737's or G V's can you say DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: :roll: 8)


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Is'nt Mayo a teaching Hospital!!!????
Thats the reason the signs came down at University/Fairview, the U can't ban, therefore all the signs at Fairview came down :D :D :D :D

Mayo is a teaching hospital, but it's not a governement entity, it's a private foundation. It can ban if it wants to, unlike the U.


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Fairview Southdale*has never had the "bans guns" signs. I like the signs they do have:

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The signs are down at the Clinic and both hospitals as well.

It could be, probably is, because it’s not a great stretch to figure out that their security is enhanced by doing so. It has already been stated that nobody over there is stupid.

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Dick Unger wrote:
plblark wrote:
Dick Unger wrote:
plblark wrote:
Are we forgetting that the Secret Service is a Federal LE organization and as such, most firearm laws exempt them any way?


The signs don't apply to Minnesota LEO's either. People without permits cannot carry in a public place, so the signs only apply to permit holders that choose to obey the signs.


That's what I get for being too specific I guess. I'll just bet you that Secret Service Agents have much broader exemptions than even MN LEO's in these situations. Perhaps I'm wrong but It's a suspicion I have that there are more exemptions for Fed LEO's than state LEO's. Maybe they don't apply here but you get the drift.


Minnesota law would not apply to people in the service of the federal government. Most of the time federal people are told to follow local law. But soldiers and secret service or FBI agents can carry on the authority of their commander as I understand it. Same for driving if they choose. Think of a military convoy. Unlicensed vehicles, and they stop other traffic on their own authority. But they try to remain non-controversial.

Maybe an LEO can tell us whether they are allowed to arrest a
federal agent for a minor offense. I'd bet there is a different procedure.


A state/local LEO cannot arrest or detain a federal LEO who provides identification and states that whatever action precipitated the stop occurred in the course of official agency business.

It is my understanding that most of the federal agencies (bureau, marshals, service) encourage their officers to carry continuously.


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My wife and I are both Mayo employees. Her experiences with security guards at Mayo (Granted, it is not a policy) is pretty simple: They tell her if she has a permit and keeps it concealed, they don't care if she carries a howitzer in her purse. She does not have a permit at this point, but I've carried plenty of times on the Mayo campus, both before and after I was hired.

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