I don't doubt this, but the number of people in *power* willing able to silence oppoosition in county governemnt is hardly what I would consider a healthy diversity of opinion, unless that diversity of opinion includes how much to raise my taxes to give to Pohlad or embark on some other big government program.

My apologies to those rank-and-filers I may have unintenionally disparaged.

As a low-level grunt, no offense taken. The County really doesn't do much to stiffle dissent unless you point out legal errors to the wrong people. Sh*t rolls downhill--no doubt about that. And it is possible to be made very uncomfortable when toes are tread upon.

Good idea. No good reason to out Nick Coleman, Jane Ranum, and Sheriff McGowan as being secretly sympathet --

Ooops.

As an addendum, vaguely related, I think it's worthwhile to remember: "Three men can keep a secret. If two of them are dead."

It's one of the reasons that I try, as hard as I can, not to have any hidden agendas with regard to the self-defense movement. Nothing to hide; nothing to be exposed.

That said, there is a time to keep tactics at least temporarily closely-held. I'm pretty sure that there are some folks watching this discussion from Hennepin County (hi, guys!) computers who are wondering if they got set up in this.

They didn't -- but I'm not entirely sure I want them to believe that. (It's true, by the way, at least as far as I know. If I had been involved there would have been at least two voice recorders and at least one hidden camera used.)

And for the future? Who knows? Maybe it would be best if Hennepin County starts telling its employees not only what the law is, but that they're going to obey it.

Well now the county can explain that they intended the phrase "dangerous weapons" to mean, as any reasonable person would interpret it to mean, "weapons subject to a current safety recall notice by the manufacturer".

Great job!

So, several of my original questions stand. See the bold text above. Does anyone have an answer? And let me add my Thanks to reaver3 also.

I tend to think that the most dangerous weapon in the world is the Human Brain. All other weapons pale in comparison!

joelr wrote

100% agree. Anyone who knows me knows that I open carry. Often. And I had research to do anyway, so since there were questions, I thought I would try to have them answered. Answered they were.

Moby Clarke wrote

I think that statement sinks you as far as Brooklyn Center. As Pat told me earlier in the thread, the consensus here is that the common hall makes for one building, so I wouldn't try carrying there. Actually, I wouldn't try at any one with a courthouse unless and until this mess gets finished up and there are some common rules that people can understand, like Dakota County has. As is painfully obvious, I am not a lawyer, but I think it's plain that Judge Burke's order is probably going to put the kibosh on any library connected even periphally to a courthouse complex so my advice would be not to try it.[/b]

Nice job reaver Thanks

Reaver3,

Well Done. You took a legal and stretched it.

Yeah, that's why all "reasonable" interpretations of the First Amendment say it's the government's job to do your thinking for you. Everybody understands this except for a few fringe types being manipulated by the NBA 'brain lobby'.

One way to spot these types is: they hang out at libraries.

Reaver thanks for having the guts to do what a lot of us would be afraid to do. These goverment types need to be put in their places more then they are, it's too bad that you had to put you neck out to do it.


Thanks

Again

Norm W

RIver Falls, WI

Do you have legal fees associated with this effort? If so, would a modest donation to Mr. Gross help?

phorvick wrote


I asked David on Friday if he needed any sort of retainer or fee from me, and he replied not at this time. He even stated that I was doing most of the work so far (requesting documents, pictures, etc.) I don't know the law, but I'm hopeful that in a case as blatant as this one, that the county and/or city would have to pick up my fees. I will let you guys know if/when I get billed for something that I'm on the hook for. Certainly not necessary, but greatly appreciated. I've really felt that everyone on this board has "got my back", and I'm very grateful.

p.s. bab please check your pm, very important!!