They should dump this pacifist tai chi teacher and employ a Hapkido instructor or a Krav Maga instructor...

This gal teaches Comply-like-sheep-do

In the hand-to-hand combat part of basic training one of the first things the drill sergeants told us was "If you're going up against an attacker with a knife, you're going to get cut. The purpose of fighting back is to limit how badly they cut you and to prevent them from killing you."

I know that was used in the context of combat, but today it seems as relevant in day to day life.

(I know nobody has made the roll over and play dead comment in this thread yet, but:) As a consideration, if it's absolutely necessary for you to go to a disarmed victim zone where carry is 100% prohibited (courthouse, police station, school, etc... ) and you lock your carry firearm in your vehicle safe to be in compliance with the law, how compliant are you gonna be with a demand to hand your keys over to an attacker between the carry prohibited building and your car? Keep in mind that you're handing them the vehicle and the keys to the safe if there are any; otherewise you're giving them ample time to work on the safe at their leisure in an isolated location.

I myself am gonna get cut in that case. Probably pretty badly. If I'm with my girlfriend, I'll defend her to my last breath. If I'm alone I'll try to make a prudent retreat to a safe distance or at least till I can find an improvised weapon. I choose to fight. Aggressively. That choice may save other lives.

But that sonofabitch is not driving away in my vehicle. (And anyone who has seen my vehicle knows that it falling into the wrong hands would be decidedly bad.)

Actually, if you read the thread, she's a Shotokan Karate instructor.

In any case "T'ai Chi" does NOT necessarily equal "pacifist"; I'll grant you that the hippy-dippy crowd tends to practice a form of T'ai Chi in that manner, but I assure you that you want no part of any of my T'ai Chi instructors- it may look like dancing in slow motion, but it's deadly serious when done by someone trained in the martial applications of it.

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Krav Maga

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Hapkido

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Well, that makes two of us who can use a dictionary. Congratulations.



Your point? I'm familiar with them- seen some interesting demos. What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, your issues with T'ai Chi, or, for that matter, anything else?

What a nation of pansies we have become. “Minnesota Police Department recommends compliance in situations like these, but that self defense is allowed”, well gee thanks Mr. Police officer. I sure am glad that I can defend myself and you allow it. Mr. Acevedo is a hero if you ask me.

If you think we’re pansies over this issue, you should be privy to plans for attending to future outrages in schools and universities. In both they get their leadership from the academic staff. Zero tolerance among adults so to say. Even in the presence of active evil. That’s nth order sissiness. And various kinds of open hand skills won’t serve us too well there either, except to the extent the planning is adjusted to Mr. Acevedo’s standards of conduct.

As an aside, I didn’t mean to gore anyone’s ox, but until our colleague here advised us differently, I didn’t know anything at all about Tai Chi except that buff black guy with a bunch of fat ladies back there punching the air. I didn’t know anybody else did it, hence I used it (wrongly) in my example. Sorry.

and regards, Porkie

You mean Billy Blanks' Tae Bo? (Which is pretty useless as a self defense system and encourages poor form likely to result in self-injury

Right on all counts- our planning for an active shooter is basically, "lock doors". Which is a fine plan- it makes life SO much easier for the shooter.

Ox not gored. T'ai Chi is practiced by many people for many reasons, and a lot of hippy types practice a form completely stripped of any martial use at all- IMHO, a travesty, but that's their thing. Tae Bo is, as Tick mentioned, something else entirely.

My post was not meant to offend, merely to inform.

So you take exception to a sarcastic remark but then post this... Jeeesh...

I practice 2 forms of Martial Arts (Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido) for a reason. Some forms are just better for certain situations than others.

Most of the standup martial arts are great but some are designed for close quarters combat and have moves geared to deal with an armed opponent. For instance Krav Maga was developed for the Israeli army to deal with close quarters combat. It doesn't require the amount of dedicated training to master that almost all Asian martial arts require.

Forgive my ignorance but I've never seen Tai Chi practiced as a combat art. In fact I was looking into Tai Chi for stress relief and strengthening my back. I've had back problems for years. While TKD/Hapkido strength training has helped tremendously I'm looking for something that will really stretch and realign.

I didn't take exception- I merely clarified. I'm sorry if you chose to read it as offense. It wasn't.

Just about *any* martial arts training is better than none, in this circumstance. I'll grant you that the harder, external styles (TKD and Hapkido among them) have a great deal to recommend them in self defense. They're just not the only approach.

My own personal take on MA in general (and this is from the perspective of someone with some, but not super-extensive experience), is that I want to learn as much as I can, from as many traditions as possible. No one has "the answer"- many folks have answers that work for them.

OK- enough pissing in each other's Wheaties for one week, eh?

PM me for contact info for my T'ai Chi instructor, if you'd like.

You all should really look into Rex Kwon Do:

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"Break the wrist, and walk away"

Thanks, but I think I'll stick with high speed metal ninjutsu .








I would put 5k down on my little brother kicking her butt, and he weighs less.

It doesn't. Proper technique is your friend. They not only want to see power, but control as well. It's uncontrolled power that gets people hurt. One of the core values is after all, self-control...


Her "pacifist" statements, that your life and health aren't worth losing over "stuff", are shared by many "pacifists" here on this board. What's to argue about her statement, unless you are looking for reasons to kick ass and bust heads? Even if you think that there should be consequences to their actions or that you don't want to reinforce criminal behavior, or even that you're pissed and don't want to be taken advantage of; it is no longer self-defense. You're branching out into "punishment".

FWIW, in the hard-soft continuum of martial arts, Shotokan sits solidly on the "hard" end. Even blocks are supposed to break things. Hardly lovey-dovey hand holding territory. A former South Korean soldier I knew, put his daughters into Shotokan because it was was closer to the combat TKD he learned in the military. He thought that American TKD had largely suffered in the translation. I don't know if that was just what was available locally...


Takes a real stand up guy to talk trash about someone you don't know... I wouldn't have put 5k on your brother, 20 years ago when I knew Anita personally. She was considered one of the top female Karate practitioners in the region. She was fast and aggressive, and didn't make it to nationals twice by playing prissy. I don't know what you brother is capable of and I don't really know what Anita has done in the past 20 years, but unless she's gone totally soft, I probably wouldn't put 5k on your brother today.