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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:40 pm 
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So the other day I was with some friends on my uncle's 32 acres in Dayton target shooting. After we had finished an officer shows up cause the neighbor complained that we were shooting. He said we needed to be 1000 feet from any building which we were. He also said we were not allowed to be in possession of firearms and ammunition in a hunting zone during this time. I was unaware of this law and apologized and he left with just giving us a warning.

So I looked up the statue and I don't thing I broke it.
But when my friend who does not have a permit shot he did.

Is this correct?
Is there another law that applies?
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/?id=97B.041

Side note: The officer first asked if we had any firearms and then if I had a permit. He took both and asked me to place my pistol on the car while he was talking to us.


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It's actually 500 ft if you do not have (written) permission to be any closer.

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http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regula ... l_regs.pdf



Restrictions as to when and with what you may be in the woods with during rifle season is on page 24.

As for 1000ft from a building, its 500 ft, unless your the owner or have writen permision. pg 24

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The poster stated they were "target shooting". By that, I assume they were not taking wild animals.

In the DNR printed regulations, it states:

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• On another person’s private land or a public right-of-way, a person
may not take a wild animal with a firearm within 500 feet of a
building occupied by humans or livestock without written permission.
• A person may not take a wild animal with a firearm within 500 feet
of a corral containing
livestock without permission.


In MN 97B.001, it states:

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Subd. 7.Taking with firearms in certain areas.(a) A person may not take a wild animal with a firearm within 500 feet of a building occupied by a human or livestock without the written permission of the owner, occupant, or lessee:

(1) on another person's private land; or

(2) on a public right-of-way.

(b) A person may not take a wild animal with a firearm without the permission of the owner, occupant, or lessee, within 500 feet of a stockade or corral containing livestock.



Both of these specifically state "taking of wild animals". Can someone give me the regulation that states "target shooting" is not allowed?

I looked through the MN Revisor site on firearms and could not find any.


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This is the portion I believe refered to in regards with hunting/ammo/firearms restrictions.
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97B.041 POSSESSION OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION RESTRICTED IN DEER ZONES.
A person may not POSSESS a firearm or ammunition outdoors during the period beginning the fifth day before the open firearms season and ending the second day after the close of the season within an area where deer may be taken by a firearm, except:
(1) during the open season and in an area where big game may be taken, a firearm and ammunition authorized for taking big game in that area may be used to take big game in that area if the person has a valid big game license in possession;
(2) an unloaded firearm that is in a case or in a closed trunk of a motor vehicle;
(3) a shotgun and shells containing No. 4 buckshot or smaller diameter lead shot or steel shot;
(4) a handgun or rifle and only short, long, and long rifle cartridges that are caliber of .22 inches;
(5) handguns possessed by a person authorized to carry a handgun under sections 624.714 and 624.715 for the purpose authorized; and
(6) on a target range operated under a permit from the commissioner.
This section does not apply during an open firearms season in an area where deer may be taken only by muzzleloader, except that muzzleloading firearms lawful for the taking of deer may be possessed only by persons with a valid license to take deer by muzzleloader during that season. [last amended in 1994]


There is a thread on this same thing in the Strategy Discussions section, Shooting on my property during MN deer season? The conclusion I took from there is murky at best. While it may be agaisnt the law, the law is an ass.


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SultanOfBrunei wrote:
This is the portion I believe refered to in regards with hunting/ammo/firearms restrictions.
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97B.041 POSSESSION OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION RESTRICTED IN DEER ZONES.
A person may not POSSESS a firearm or ammunition outdoors during the period beginning the fifth day before the open firearms season and ending the second day after the close of the season within an area where deer may be taken by a firearm, except:
(1) during the open season and in an area where big game may be taken, a firearm and ammunition authorized for taking big game in that area may be used to take big game in that area if the person has a valid big game license in possession;
(2) an unloaded firearm that is in a case or in a closed trunk of a motor vehicle;
(3) a shotgun and shells containing No. 4 buckshot or smaller diameter lead shot or steel shot;
(4) a handgun or rifle and only short, long, and long rifle cartridges that are caliber of .22 inches;
(5) handguns possessed by a person authorized to carry a handgun under sections 624.714 and 624.715 for the purpose authorized; and
(6) on a target range operated under a permit from the commissioner.
This section does not apply during an open firearms season in an area where deer may be taken only by muzzleloader, except that muzzleloading firearms lawful for the taking of deer may be possessed only by persons with a valid license to take deer by muzzleloader during that season. [last amended in 1994]


There is a thread on this same thing in the Strategy Discussions section, Shooting on my property during MN deer season? The conclusion I took from there is murky at best. While it may be agaisnt the law, the law is an ass.


I think you have to be a "Ring Knocker" to get into that part of the board. Either that or its "The Man" :wink: keeping me down by not letting me in.

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I wouldn't listen to a cop about hunting regulations, contact your nearest game warden, see what he says


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SultanOfBrunei wrote:
While it may be agaisnt the law, the law is an ass.


That's the quote of the day! :D

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Carbide Insert wrote:
That's the quote of the day! :D

Like many great things, I can not take credit for it, you can thank Charles Dickens.

The phrase "The law is an ass" originates in Charles Dickens' Oliver Twist, when the character Mr. Bumble is informed that "the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction". Mr. Bumble replies "If the law supposes that… the law is a [sic] ass—a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience."


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Interesting as firearms Deer season is now complete in even the longest season areas (should have been completed the weekend prior to Thanksgiving.)

And since the 500 foot rule only applies when hunting and there is no law against shooting within a certain foot zone... I cry typicaly LEO BS...

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Correction noted... :oops:

Interesting - there is 'no anterless limit' in the metro area... WOW... Figured enough were taken out by cars that this wouldn't be as it is.

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good luck finding metro area private land to hunt for reasonable rates ...

On that note: if ANYONE here has a lead on that for next year, I'm all ears

I had a good spot picked out but they wanted $100 per hunter and the 4 of us would only have made it for one morning sit. Not worth it this year.

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mostlylawabidingcitizen wrote:
...And since the 500 foot rule only applies when hunting and there is no law against shooting within a certain foot zone...

I have lived in a couple of cities with the 500 foot rule.

Lakeville Code: Section 5-2-1-2 wrote:
G. By any person for target practice provided that the projectiles are stopped by a suitable backstop and provided further that the shooting occurs at least five hundred feet (500') from all buildings unless owned by him or with the owner's written permission carried on his person.


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Thanks for the replies. I don't have access to the Strategy section so I can't read that link.

But this is what I believe to be true.

A permit holder may be in possession of a firearm during hunting when not hunting and may target shoot.

A person may not unless it is a .22 or on a designated range.


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