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"Gun" story on KSTP tonight 12-30-08
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Timothy Nelson
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:12 am |
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Steve needs to go shopping at Southdale in Edina...
You know, since it's safe there. You'll never need a gun...
_________________ Best,
Timothy
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Selurcspi
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:13 am |
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Ex Gyrene, being a Matelot, I can't resist! The only EX marines I know of have been dishonourably discharged, is this true in your case, or are just another "WannaBe"?
If it's the former, you can't own a firearm, if it's the latter, you shouldn't own one!
_________________ NRA Certified Instructor MADFI Certified Instructor MN DNR Certified Instructor UT BCI Certified Conceal/Carry Instructor
"If you expect the police to always be able to protect you, why are the ones who show up at crimes called 'detectives' instead of 'defenders'? Detectives try to find a criminal after they've committed a crime."
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:21 am |
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Funny thing about rights; in the abstract they are great, but they sometimes make people uncomfortable in the real world when they are actually exercised.
_________________ I am defending myself... in favor of that!
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Timothy Nelson
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:22 am |
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Snyders drug stores are closing all around the Metro.
They have yellow plastic guns which shoot plastic darts with rubber ends.
All for a buck.
May I suggest one of these...
_________________ Best,
Timothy
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princewally
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Post subject: Re: Think Away Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:31 am |
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ex gyrene wrote: I also see no need to carry in those chambers as the Hennepin County Sheriff is almost always in the other room. Is he going to follow me home, too? Pick me up at my house and give me an escort? Run any errands I need before or after the meeting? Quote: Needless to say, the entire Jankowski family is pro-gun. We are also anti-gun idiots and if we have to push for exclusions of guns from council meetings because of the antics of fools, we will. The right to life is, after all, more important than the right to carry........and some should not have a right to carry.
Calling yourself "pro-gun" then screaming for gun controls and restrictions is hypocritical, to say the least.
Agreed.
My rights are not up for your approval. Thankfully, the carry law was written to block self important city council hacks from infringing on their constituents' right to self defense.
_________________ Of the people, By the People, For the People. The government exists to serve us, not the reverse.
-------------------- Next MN carry permit class: TBD.
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jason <at> metrodefense <dot> com
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Jeremiah
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:44 am |
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Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:46 pm Posts: 1292 Location: Minneapolis
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In case ex-whatever missed it, here's a news story from just last year:
Courthouse shooting prompts security reviews around Minn.
by Tim Post, Minnesota Public Radio
June 25, 2008
The Morrison County government center in Little Falls reopened Wednesday, one day after a fatal shooting at the building. Gordon Wheeler Sr. was shot by three law enforcement officers after he brandished a gun during a county board meeting. The incident has kicked off a statewide discussion on safety inside Minnesota's public buildings, as people who work in the government center try to make sense of what happened.
Rest at http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/06/25/shooting_security/
This is why folks carry to a council meeting- not because they're afraid of the council members (necessarily), but because all sorts of whackjobs tend to show up to vent their spleens at the meeting- and some of them might take it a little too far.
_________________ I'm liberal, pro-choice, and I carry a gun. Any questions?
My real name is Jeremiah (go figure).
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: Set the record straight about Greenfield Council & G Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:49 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:43 am Posts: 7970 Location: Minneapolis MN
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ex gyrene wrote: I tend to remain silent in forums, but this issue calls for a response. Cool. ex gyrene wrote: Leonard Jankowski, now a former Greenfield City Council member, was one of the ones that protested the concealed weapons in the Greenfield Council Chambers. A lifetime NRA member he is also a refugee from Nazi Germany. He joined the US Navy as soon as he could because he wanted to protect the great land that he had become a citizen of. Also, cool, other than the first sentence. ex gyrene wrote: He has served on the tip of the spear as a Naval Officer to protect the rights of idiots like the council member that DROPPED his weapon in the city council chamber.
As a former US Marine, I can tell you that dropping a weapon is an almost un-pardonable sin and is indicative of someone who is certainly not qualified to carry. What an idiot he was on that night and is today. I was always taught that when a weapon leaves it's holster, you had better be ready to shoot............and when you shoot...........you shoot to kill. Center mass all of the way. You do not drop a weapon! Well, if the terms of this discussion were that I have to defend carelessly dropping a gun to win, I'd not want to play. But they aren't, and I will. ex gyrene wrote: When I learned about this incident, I was furious because the council chambers in Greenfield have been contentious.....to say the least. I also see no need to carry in those chambers as the Hennepin County Sheriff is almost always in the other room.
Again, cool: if you choose not to carry any particular place or in general, I certainly won't try to talk you out of that choice.. ex gyrene wrote: The carrying of weapons that was the subject of this discussion was done by small minded people that thought it would make them feel larger than the small people that they are. People that carry a weapon because it makes them feel bigger than they are, or because it is "cool" are dangerous. They are the people that got sand kicked in their faces as kids and see a gun as a "great equalizer". A 22...........what a joke!
Well, let's see . . . an ad hominem attack isn't always a fallacy. If the issue is whether or not somebody is a good person, say, the only way to argue that he isn't as ad hominem, after all. But that's not the issue we're purportedly discussing. Whether or not one or more of your father's political foes is a bad person is something I really don't care about. ex gyrene wrote: As a child, I remember some soviet era visitors that were sent home with my dad.....I think maybe the state department set it up. When they saw the guns in his gun cabinet and asked my dad about them, he told them that they were for when the government threatened our rights.
Cool, but he missed part of it -- guns can also be useful when nongovernmental entities -- a thug, say -- tries to, oh, hit you over the head with a tire iron and take your stuff. ex gyrene wrote: I do not carry, never have. I don't even feel the need. If I did, I would. I honestly got my fill of shooting in the service. A pistol is heavy and chaffs. I can't think of a need to carry in Greenfield unless it is to intimidate.
Then your imagination is failing you, and pretty badly. That said, your choice not to carry there, or anywhere else, is just fine with me. ... [Some nice stuff and puffery about his father deleted. It's all very interesting, but a digression.] ex gyrene wrote: ... We are also anti-gun idiots and if we have to push for exclusions of guns from council meetings because of the antics of fools, we will. The right to life is, after all, more important than the right to carry........and some should not have a right to carry. You're not thinking very clearly here. It's demonstrable that your -- and your father's -- right to life was not taken away at the Greenfield council. It's pretty foolish to say that it was. That said, I think you'll find it difficult to lobby for any weakening of the restrictions on government embodied in the MCPPA and persuade anybody here that you're not, to use your own phrase, an "anti-gun idiot." Sorry about that, but not very. ex gyrene wrote: If I were carrying, and I saw a council member reach for a gun and drop it on the floor, where do you think my hand would go? Well, since you don't carry, ever, I guess nobody has to worry about it.
_________________ Just a guy.
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sigman
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:51 am |
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Well, this topic sure heated up. I raised a Marine of my own and he supports me carrying, wherever I go. I also happen to be a city councilman and I carry (concealed) at every council meeting. I don't carry to intimidate anyone. I see no reason to infringe upon our RKBA by making city hall a victim disarmament zone. However, that would surely make the anti-gunners happy.
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mnglocker
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:14 am |
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Quote: Your profanity is uncalled for and is childish. It is not appropriate in a public forum. Wow, my language must have struck a nerve with you, it was meant to. By the way, it’s a free country; that is unless you think you should decide that I don't have the qualifications to speak freely. Quote: I don't believe an ordinance should be passed against one or two individuals. That would be unconstitutional. Since he (Howard) insists on braggadocio and has basically threatened Ted Turnham with his "Carrying", I am for not allowing guns in the Greenfield City Council Chambers . Quote: If you knew me, you would know that I am far from treasonous. In fact, I take serious offense at that remark. In fact, I would say that your remarks even put yourself into that category as they are intended to silence my right to free speech. How have I acted to silence your free speech? Quote: You should also know that my brother has just volunteered to go to Afghanistan for a year. He did not have to do that as he has enough rank that he can choose what he wants to do. He volunteered to go serve do defend your right to be offensive. That doesn't mean that you have to be offensive. May God bless him and may he come home safe. Quote: You need to get a clue and realize that the guy you support may be a good guy, and I am sure we vote the same way in National and State elections, but he is not mature enough to carry a gun to the Greenfield City Council chambers. Quote: Incidently, can you read? I think I articulated exactly what you said in my response to an earlier poster: (Here’s where I’m just going to start to have fun) Your yammering of being a Lawyer isn't going to gain you more respect here than any other man, nor should it. Remember, respect is earned. Barrack Obama also has a law degree and he still can't seem to read the constitution. This board is littered with lawyers, legal beagles, law professors, people who teach Minnesota's carry laws and the people who wrote Minnesota's carry laws. Quote: Of course, a break in would be necessary before any smart gun owner would pull out a weapon. The only justifiable use of a weapon is to protect life and case law allows deadly force in the case of a home invasion. (This is where you’re suppose to insert an “end quote”)I think "break in" is a word that I used in the above quote. You must be a Howard supporter and just take it personally when I point out his stupidity and inept handling of a firearm. I don’t know Howard, I’ve never met the man and quite frankly I don’t care if I ever do. I concur however that dropping your gun is bad practice. I know I wouldn't want to scratch my glocks and make them ugly or anything. Quote: Again, as you are obviously a gun rights advocate, as I am, you must agree with the FACT that some people are not qualified to carry a concealed weapon. I am a gun rights advocate, and if you actually are, you are completely naïve to the damage your father and his friend Ted caused. Their 5 minutes acts of hysteria on the number five have left endless sound drops and video clips for the folks at Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, The Joyce Foundation, Brady Campaign and Mass Media to use against gun owners and our rights. When it comes to being qualified, this may come as a shocker for you, I’d like to see Minnesota go the way of Vermont or Alaska, but with out age, training or county (see Ramsey) limitations. Quote: You may be qualified, I have no opinion. I know I would be qualified if I chose to be as I know how to handle a gun..........heck I have gotten blisters from loading so many 9 mil magazines in the past. Howard is not.......unless you know something I don't. His brandishing and dropping of the weapon disqualifies him in my opinion. Let me help you out here, there is no such thing as “brandishing” in Minnesota. If your father and Ted had a foot to stand on the HCSO would be pursuing 5th degree assault charges. Here’s a hint; they’re not. Quote: Incidentally, how in the world can my words be used against my father? Do you even know how the legal system works? If the misfortune ever comes of your father having to defend himself, you can bet the prosecutor (he lives in Hennepin after all) will dig up everything and anything with your father’s and his family’s name on it. Prosecutor: “Well well well, Mr. Jankowski wanted to kill that fateful night, he had malice and extreme vigilance on his mind, even his family and co-workers spoke of this. (Insert ex gyrene quote here) When the young-choar-boy-youth-just-turning-his-life-around-only-forcefully-borrowing-to-pay-tuition-victim entered Mr. Jankowski’s house he wasn’t greeted with open arms, but with a .45 Caliber Arm! Two right to the chest and one to the head ended this young-choar-boy-youth-just-turning-his-life-around-only-forcefully-borrowing-to-pay-tuition-victim’s life…“ See where I’m going with this? Quote: I am, by the way, also an attorney. I am far from ignorant, I am not arrogant, but I do possess strong opinions just like you do. It is my right to have and hold such opinions. You have the same rights. Really, I never picked that up the first 10x your wrote that you’re an attorney. And yes you do posses strong opine and it’s your right to do so, as it is mine. Quote: You do not have to use the words you wrote to defend your opinion. That is evidence of an out of control person with a weak mind. Oh, but I did, they show a level of frustration and anguish you and your “oops we provided the sound drops needed to get the 2A overturned” family and friends caused that fateful night they felt the need to bask in the warm glow of the recording light on the camera. My language worked quite well as it obviously struck a nerve with you, as it should. As to a weak mind, Steve, you don’t know me and statements like that only inserts your foot further into your mouth. Any of the numerous folks on this board that I know personally can attest for a sharp wit and tongue being attached to my name. My work speaks for it’s self. Quote: I have intentionally PM'd you so that you are not further humiliated publicly. Consider it a gift as I would be embarrassed if anyone I knew saw your post and knew you put it on the net.
I have intentionally posted this here as to help you further marinate your loafers in your own saliva.
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Last edited by mnglocker on Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:38 am, edited 6 times in total.
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: No Threats On This Board From This Poster Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:15 am |
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ex gyrene wrote: I guess I specifically object to Him carrying, not the right to carry...
If my previous words seam harsh, I apologize. I do feel strongly about certain people involved in that specific city government. Sure. And that's fine. If you object to this specific guy carrying, I guess you've got some obvious choices:
1. "Learn to live with frustration," as William Goldman teaches us.
2. Try to talk the specific guy out of carrying. Who knows? He might be amenable.
3. Work to get the law changed.
Of all three, I think #1 is probably the best way to go, but, hey, what you do is your call.
_________________ Just a guy.
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:24 am |
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If it's the one guy who is the problem, couldn't he be banned from the meeting if he truly is a problem?
Or wait a sec - was he also a city councilor? Couldn't the city council pass a rule on themselves preventing themselves from carrying?
_________________ I am defending myself... in favor of that!
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:26 am |
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preemption FTW!
_________________ Certified Carry Permit Instructor (MNTactics.com and ShootingSafely.com) Click here for current Carry Classes "There is no safety for honest men, except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edwin Burke
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:28 am |
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plblark wrote: preemption FTW!
But preemption doesn't apply to employees
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Traveler
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Post subject: Re: Set the record straight about Greenfield Council & G Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:50 am |
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Binky .357 wrote: ex gyrene wrote: I tend to remain silent in forums, but this issue calls for a response.
Shouldn't you be posting here or here? Your rhetoric seems a little out of place is all that I'm saying. Not saying you're unwelcome (and this is definately not my place to do so), just helping out someone who might be a little puzzled as to where he is.
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Lenny7
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:04 am |
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Jeremiah wrote: In case ex-whatever missed it, here's a news story from just last year: .
And let us not forget the 6 dead in the Kirkwood, MO shooting, or the shooting of a councilman in NYC. I'm sure there are others.
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