Tactical round in the chamber or not?
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Ronin069
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:16 am |
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kimberman wrote: That's a ten-round magazine loading that maintains stopping power while escalating penetration to meet the most likely needs of the defensive situation.
THIS is why I enjoy the folks on this board so much - any question is up for debate and the answers are always respectful and often helpful. Thanks to all!
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jaysong
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:19 am |
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Macx wrote: Quote: There are folks that carry with an empty under the hammer. I don't think I saw anyone sporting a SAA at the Gopher. I understand that inclination comes from very old revolvers that weren't drop safe . .. have a really hard time justifying carrying with an empty under the hammer in any modern defensive handgun. Am I missing something?
when I carry a revolver I have every chamber on the cylender loaded. I thinks some folks just do silly things.
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SultanOfBrunei
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:27 am |
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kimberman wrote: ...That's a ten-round magazine loading that maintains stopping power while escalating penetration to meet the most likely needs of the defensive situation...
How does your mixed-load system take into account multiple attackers?
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Porkie
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:10 pm |
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I have a different take on the matter. My view is that once you’ve said ‘Gold Dot’ you needn’t say anything else. I’ve pretty much settled in on .357SIG and a SIG P229 DAK. Which I had under my coat in the Gopher the other day. The one I ‘open carried’ for about 37 seconds, was a P220 DAK, .45ACP also with Gold Dots. I’m willing to carry a lot of crap around with me but that was a little much. Especially since I pretty much could’ve depended on some help if needed.
I don’t comment on more safety as it theoretically might derive from an empty chamber. I’m more concerned with the safety that derives to me from the gun being ready to go. Otherwise I wouldn’t carry it at all.
Naturally trying to shoot straight is good and the fall back to improve effect would be a Madagascar drill.
Regards, Porkie
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princewally
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:14 pm |
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Porkie wrote: Naturally trying to shoot straight is good and the fall back to improve effect would be a Madagascar drill.
I'm not familiar with that drill. Is it similar to a Mozambique Drill? Or does it involve hijacking a ship full of animals?
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Porkie
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:45 pm |
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Seen one African place, seen 'em all. I haven't sen any. If the first two don't have the desired effect, shoot 'em in the nose.
Regards, Porkie
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Scott Hughes
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:14 pm |
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gunflint wrote: My warning shot would be technically classified as a miss.
For me it's 1911A1, cocked and locked (always), Fed .45, 165 gr., EFMJ.
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Fiasco
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Post subject: Re: Tactical round in the chamber or not? Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:47 pm |
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ronin069 wrote: The Christmas table topic of debate at our house this year..
Do you carry a tactical round in the chamber or not? The thought being that not having a hollow-point as the 'chambered round' would bide well for your defense that the first shot was to "stop" and not kill.
Thoughts?
Since my gun rides my hip during the day and my nightstand at night, I use JHP to ensure less "over" penetration. I have kids in the next room and also figure that when in public, I want to put rounds into the attempted murderer and not through him and into bystanders. I'm pretty confident in my ability to select the right shot and place properly but I would rather lower the odds of catastrophe in case of a flyer.
I almost forgot about the crux of your question. The legality of the shooting is of primary concern. I've only thought about bullet selection when deciding not to even consider ammo with names like Extreme Shock's "Explosive Entry Fang Face, Enhanced Penetration". Give me a break. The test results using a "box o' truth" show that it is pretty lousy anyway. I also question naming a firearm, The "Judge". Seems kind of dumb to me but I won't question anyone who chooses to carry it, just the company's decision to give it that name.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:31 pm |
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Porkie wrote: Seen one African place, seen 'em all. I haven't sen any. If the first two don't have the desired effect, shoot 'em in the nose.
Regards, Porkie
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Porkie
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:56 am |
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I knew Dr. Desmond Gravette, now deceased, and his wife. And one black Somali that worked with me in the school district; otherwise, no Africans. And some children too who might be of actual African origin but could just as well have been Americans. However, my plan about that is to address them politely in any manner they prefer. Since no offense was intended.
The comment in my post though is an idiomatic construction intended to convey the thought that where actually in Africa Colonel Cooper got the expression is a matter of supreme disinterest to me. And I’m sorry I brought it up in the first place. After all, I’ve been in MN for twenty years and was aware of the Norwegian influence on the locals.
My present take on Africa is summarized by an African in this essay: http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/essays/36/ since the thread has drifted into the ether anyway.
Regards, Porkie
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