CraigJS wrote:
A moment of stress, you quickly put/jam hand into pocket and inadvertently cover/pull/press trigger and the gun goes off.
Not a good thing if the pocket is near the family jewels.
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| Author: | Magnum Mikie [ Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:15 pm ] |
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bensdad wrote: CraigJS wrote: You could carry an LCP in that rig for the next 39 years and never have a bad thing happen. You could also blow a .38 in. hole into your femoral artery on Monday afternoon and spend the last 23 seconds of your life resenting Bensdad. I know everything in life involves risk, I just prefer to minimize it in the obvious places. I generally wear my seatbelt. I have fire extinguishers. I don't drink (but I smoke and chew too much). I want my triggers covered when not in use. To let the truth be known, this wallet holster is merely a by-product in my thoughts right now. I'm much more engrossed with my new primary "winter" EDC acquirement. I picked up a Rock Island 1911 from Centerfire Systems last week along with a Don Hume holster. This piece shoots as good as my eyes can see at 15 yards and functions perfectly after 250 rds. [img][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/pianoman5355317/RIA1911DonHume002.jpg[/img] As for blowing out a femoral artery, that's a possibility with any pistol carried in your pocket. Myself, I stay very focused while carrying a weapon. But, in a moment of "SHTF" anything is possible. That holds true even while removing a 642 Smith from a pocket holster. My opinion is that the more focused and alert permit holders are, the safer the outcome of a bad situation. I may or may not use the wallet holster for summer carry, but if I do, I'll always be alert and try to remain focused in my surroundings. |
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| Author: | Scott Hughes [ Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:06 pm ] |
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CraigJS wrote: A moment of stress, you quickly put/jam hand into pocket and inadvertently cover/pull/press trigger and the gun goes off. Not a good thing if the pocket is near the family jewels.
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| Author: | MostlyHarmless [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:39 am ] |
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The LCP, in a shoot through holster, in a pants pocket, would not meet my personal standards for safety because of the AD risk. I do not find shoot through holsters to provide any tactically useful advantage over conventional pocket holsters, since I can draw just as quickly from a conventional pocket holster and since I don't consider shooting without unholstering to be good tactics. Magnum Mikie wrote: As for blowing out a femoral artery, that's a possibility with any pistol carried in your pocket. Myself, I stay very focused while carrying a weapon. But, in a moment of "SHTF" anything is possible. That holds true even while removing a 642 Smith from a pocket holster. My opinion is that the more focused and alert permit holders are, the safer the outcome of a bad situation. I may or may not use the wallet holster for summer carry, but if I do, I'll always be alert and try to remain focused in my surroundings. I do not stay "very focused" all day when carrying a weapon every day. There are portions of my day that are condition white where my mind is fully occupied with other matters. The gun stays in my pocket because it is the most secure place for it, and it is there when necessary. Being "very focused" at all times is neither necessary or sufficient to ensure safety. Proper equipment plays a role too. |
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| Author: | Andrew Rothman [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:20 am ] |
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Magnum Mikie wrote: As for blowing out a femoral artery, that's a possibility with any pistol carried in your pocket. Myself, I stay very focused while carrying a weapon. But, in a moment of "SHTF" anything is possible. That holds true even while removing a 642 Smith from a pocket holster. My opinion is that the more focused and alert permit holders are, the safer the outcome of a bad situation. I may or may not use the wallet holster for summer carry, but if I do, I'll always be alert and try to remain focused in my surroundings. Dangerous situations cause the release of Adrenaline. Adrenaline makes you, slow, stupid, clumsy and forgetful. Why in hell would you want a piece of equipment that works AGAINST your safety instead of for it? |
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| Author: | Magnum Mikie [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:06 pm ] |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: Dangerous situations cause the release of Adrenaline. Adrenaline makes you, slow, stupid, clumsy and forgetful. Why in hell would you want a piece of equipment that works AGAINST your safety instead of for it? Thanks for your response Andrew. As I said earlier, I have other options for carrying the LCP during summer months. I can use a conventional pocket holster pictured in a previous post. I bought this shoot-through holster because of it's uniqueness and may or may not use it. If I decide to use the wallet holster, I'll probably NOT carry with a round in the pipe. Right now I'm carry a 1911 .45acp in a Don Hume OWB holster, but as it warms up I'll probably start carrying the LCP most of the time. In my original post I was more concerned about the wallet holster's legality than I was about safety. Release of Adrenaline also makes a person slow, stupid, clumsy and forgetful while removing an LCP from a convention pocket or OWB holster. I guess when we are up to our ass in alligators, we all must take a deep breath and try to stay focused regardless of what kind of weapon or holster we are carrying. |
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| Author: | Andrew Rothman [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:54 pm ] |
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Magnum Mikie wrote: Release of Adrenaline also makes a person slow, stupid, clumsy and forgetful while removing an LCP from a convention pocket or OWB holster. That's twice that you've equated a not-covering-the-trigger "holster" with a real one. That's disingenuous, as a real holster protects the trigger until the gun has drawn, and this...thing...does not. There's no rational reason to continue to defend it. It's a dumbass idea and worthy of the trash bin. |
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| Author: | Magnum Mikie [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:16 pm ] |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: Magnum Mikie wrote: Release of Adrenaline also makes a person slow, stupid, clumsy and forgetful while removing an LCP from a convention pocket or OWB holster. That's twice that you've equated a not-covering-the-trigger "holster" with a real one. That's disingenuous, as a real holster protects the trigger until the gun has drawn, and this...thing...does not. There's no rational reason to continue to defend it. It's a dumbass idea and worthy of the trash bin. Let me ask you a dumbass question, Andrew. If you are carry an LCP in a DeSantis Nemesis holster (which is designed to "stick" in your pocket), what's protecting or covering the trigger as you pull the pistol out of your pocket? Btw, I'm not defending anything, but you seem awful quick to judgment. |
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| Author: | Andrew Rothman [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:07 pm ] |
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Magnum Mikie wrote: Let me ask you a dumbass question, Andrew. If you are carry an LCP in a DeSantis Nemesis holster (which is designed to "stick" in your pocket), what's protecting or covering the trigger as you pull the pistol out of your pocket? Btw, I'm not defending anything, but you seem awful quick to judgment. And you seem a bit slow to listen. One more time: Quote: A real holster protects the trigger until the gun has drawn, and this...thing...does not. With a real holster, you grip the gun, THEN unholster the gun. You can't pull the trigger before you unholster, and neither can a pen, a car key, or a finger looking for loose change. With this thing, you can pull the trigger before you unholster, and so can a pen, a car key, or a finger looking for loose change. A good holster doesn't guarantee gainst an ND, but it greatlyh reduces the possibility. This thing does not. |
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| Author: | bensdad [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:17 pm ] |
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Once again, Andrew has left me wondering how he really feels. 
I'll have nothing more to do with it after this post, but before I go I'll just say: Magnum Mike wrote: Quote: Myself, I stay very focused while carrying a weapon. You're a better man than I am. Even when I'm armed, I think about all kinds of stuff. I try to be aware of my surroundings (notice shifty people, look in the windows before I enter, drive like a law-abiding robot, etc.), but I can't "stay very focused" all the time. That's why I won't use a holster that... IS NOT A HOLSTER, BUT IS IN FACT A DANGEROUS NINJA TOY. |
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| Author: | Magnum Mikie [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:32 pm ] |
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Ah, but Andrew, it seems that you are slow & quick at the same time. If you had read my first response to you, you would have noticed that I stated that IF I decided to use the wallet, I wouldn't carry WITH A ROUND IN THE PIPE! Now, maybe you can explain about the "pen, car keys and fingers" once again. Just to be sure, here is my exact first response to you: "Thanks for your response Andrew. As I said earlier, I have other options for carrying the LCP during summer months. I can use a conventional pocket holster pictured in a previous post. I bought this shoot-through holster because of it's uniqueness and may or may not use it. If I decide to use the wallet holster, I'll probably NOT carry with a round in the pipe." One more thing, since when do people get chastised here for asking "legality" questions? I don't know your age, but when somebody reaches my age of 56, they don't need to be talked down to like a child. If you can't answer questions in a civilized discussion format, then please don't respond to anymore of my questions. |
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| Author: | mnglocker [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:13 pm ] |
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This whole "holster topic" becomes a moot point if everyone would just OC a shotgun on a sling. 
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| Author: | Pakrat [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:13 pm ] |
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As long as someone is aware of the issues with this, I say they can do what they want. How's the trigger pull on the gun that would go in the holster? Are you going to carry anything else in the same pocket? Under stress, could you rack the slide? Have you considered the confusion of dealing with an empty chamber, if you already carry with one in the chamber? |
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| Author: | mnglocker [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:16 pm ] |
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I can see some major issues with the wallet holster idea, especially on a mouse gun. Mouse guns are infamous for being a great tool for malfunction drills. I'd like to be able to ranck the slide easily thank you, I'd also like easy access to the mag release. 
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| Author: | Q_Continuum [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:15 pm ] |
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mnglocker wrote: This whole "holster topic" becomes a moot point if everyone would just OC a shotgun on a sling. Well...let me get one first, and then let me know when and where! 
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| Author: | Magnum Mikie [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:56 pm ] |
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Thanks for asking Pakrat. How's the trigger pull on the gun that would go in the holster? LCP's are DAO with a fairly strong pull of 8-lbs with travel of about 5/8". Are you going to carry anything else in the same pocket? Not a chance. Under stress, could you rack the slide? What else is there to do while watching "24" on tv except practice drawing from my pocket and racking the slide on my (unloaded of course) LCP. I bet I've had at least 200 dry runs Have you considered the confusion of dealing with an empty chamber, if you already carry with one in the chamber? No confusion. Without fail, I pull the magazine and check the chamber everyday before leaving the house whether I'm carrying the 1911, CZ82 or the LCP. I also do this before going afield bird hunting. I've been around firearms for more than 40 years which doesn't mean accidents can't happen, but being aware of surroundings and being familiar with my firearms offer a good chance that everyday will be a safe one. |
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