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kimberman
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:11 am |
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Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:48 pm Posts: 2782 Location: St. Paul
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PocketProtector642 wrote: Seems to me that OC is legal in MN.
Absolutely not.
OC is only allowed in Minnesota IF you have valid carry permit (which allows carry "on or about your person or clothes").
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:18 am |
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Quote: Subd. 9. Carrying pistols about one's premises or for purposes of repair, target practice. A permit to carry is not required of a person:
(a) to keep or carry about the person's place of business, dwelling house, premises or on land possessed by the person a pistol;
I'm sure we're talking differences in OC. OC as in the case of the original discussion here (on his property) is specifically legal and does NOT require a permit. OC out and about ... that's "Carry" and it's covered by the Carry laws.
_________________ Certified Carry Permit Instructor (MNTactics.com and ShootingSafely.com) Click here for current Carry Classes "There is no safety for honest men, except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edwin Burke
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mrokern
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:14 pm |
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plblark wrote: Quote: Subd. 9. Carrying pistols about one's premises or for purposes of repair, target practice. A permit to carry is not required of a person:
(a) to keep or carry about the person's place of business, dwelling house, premises or on land possessed by the person a pistol; I'm sure we're talking differences in OC. OC as in the case of the original discussion here (on his property) is specifically legal and does NOT require a permit. OC out and about ... that's "Carry" and it's covered by the Carry laws.
Correct, and it's good that Kimberman jumped in. I think we were all assuming the OP's situation of on his property, but I see that it could have been misconstrued the other way far too easily.
-Mark
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kecker
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:15 pm |
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Part of me is a little glad that someone is willing to put forth the time, finances and potential harm (physical, mental, emotional, reputation, etc) to establish case law. After all we bitch all the time about how something is not established case law, so having someone willing to make at least one part established sounds nice.
Yet another part of me is cringing and thinking "this won't end well".
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steve4102
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:05 pm |
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Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:14 am Posts: 10 Location: United States
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I will add some more info to my scenario. My situation is a little more than just a desire to carry for unexpected situations. I have a brother in law that has been hiding from the law and living in France for the past 15 years. He is a full blown nut case drug addict. Both of his parents have recently died. Since their deaths, he has called me several times telling me that he is coming home to collect what is his(money) and he is going to kill my wife, my children and myself.
I have filed the worthless retraining order against him and that is a far as the law will go. So, I carry a handgun. Now I am told that if the Local PD gets a call that I am carrying, I 'm going to jail and will be prosecuted on sum trumped up charge.
Isn't this a great State we live in? Man am I proud to me a Minnesotan.
BTW< I talked to my high school buddy JJ Gradishar about this. He gave me the name of a lawyer to call, but said I would be pertty much waisting my time and money until the shit really hit the fan, but by then it is too late.
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Hunter07
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:09 pm |
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steve4102 wrote: So, I carry a handgun. Now I am told that if the Local PD gets a call that I am carrying, I 'm going to jail and will be prosecuted on sum trumped up charge.
Who told you that?
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steve4102
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:42 am |
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Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:14 am Posts: 10 Location: United States
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Hunter07 wrote: steve4102 wrote: So, I carry a handgun. Now I am told that if the Local PD gets a call that I am carrying, I 'm going to jail and will be prosecuted on sum trumped up charge. Who told you that?
Posts, 2,3 13 and 14.
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joelr
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:20 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:43 am Posts: 7970 Location: Minneapolis MN
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steve4102 wrote: Hunter07 wrote: steve4102 wrote: So, I carry a handgun. Now I am told that if the Local PD gets a call that I am carrying, I 'm going to jail and will be prosecuted on sum trumped up charge. Who told you that? Posts, 2,3 13 and 14. I think you're confusing "may" -- which you've definitely been told, because that sort of thing has happened -- with "will."
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:48 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:24 am Posts: 6767 Location: Twin Cities
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I have a carry permit, and I've open carried around the Twin Cities metro for five years.
The very worst that has happened is that once, a very nice pair of Minnetonka officers asked to see my permit card and ID. They then gave me my cards back, gave my kids stickers, and we all went on with our evenings.
I can't guarantee that nothing bad will happen, but I think the fears are overblown.
_________________ * NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.
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Aquaholic
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:18 am |
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Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:49 am Posts: 687 Location: South Minneapolis (Nokomis East)
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Are you older than 21? If this is the case, why not just get your permit to carry?
ETA: I just reread the first post and found that he does already have a carry permit. Guess I don't see the issue. It's your yard, just don't be threatening anyone while you do your yard work.
_________________ I smoke. Thanks for holding your breath.
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Carbide Insert
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:35 am |
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Joined: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:36 am Posts: 760 Location: Hutchinson, MN
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Andrew Rothman wrote: I have a carry permit, and I've open carried around the Twin Cities metro for five years.
The very worst that has happened is that once, a very nice pair of Minnetonka officers asked to see my permit card and ID. They then gave me my cards back, gave my kids stickers, and we all went on with our evenings.
I can't guarantee that nothing bad will happen, but I think the fears are overblown.
+1
What he said.
If you're too afraid to excersize your rights you have already lost them. It doesn't matter one whit what any law or constitution says on the matter.
Give it a go. You will be surprised when the sky doesn't fall, and you'll begin to enjoy the feeling of being just a bit more free.
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But it remains true that from time to time they collaborate on something that's both stupid and evil and call it bipartisanship. -Thomas E. Woods Jr.
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mrokern
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:46 am |
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I think I'm going to OC once I get out of work today. Just because I can.
Granted, I'm headed to the range, so I don't think I'll raise a lot of eyebrows...
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djeepp
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:02 am |
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Carbide Insert wrote: Andrew Rothman wrote: I have a carry permit, and I've open carried around the Twin Cities metro for five years.
The very worst that has happened is that once, a very nice pair of Minnetonka officers asked to see my permit card and ID. They then gave me my cards back, gave my kids stickers, and we all went on with our evenings.
I can't guarantee that nothing bad will happen, but I think the fears are overblown. +1 What he said. If you're too afraid to excersize your rights you have already lost them. It doesn't matter one whit what any law or constitution says on the matter. Give it a go. You will be surprised when the sky doesn't fall, and you'll begin to enjoy the feeling of being just a bit more free.
Tru Dat! I was afraid and paranoid for about an hour when I first carried. Now...in the words of Stewie Griffin, "I feel right Brian, I feel right."
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gyrfalcon
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:11 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:00 pm Posts: 373
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Maybe you shouldn't open carry... Just take all your guns out in the front yard and start cleaning them.
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MostlyHarmless
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:59 pm |
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Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:24 pm Posts: 471 Location: 12 miles east of Lake Wobegon
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mrokern wrote: You're right. Problem is, they can still arrest you and make you go through the legal hassles (and cost you money and time in the process), along with holding on to your gun for a VERY long time. -Mark
Is there anyone on this forum who only has *one* carry weapon?
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