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Author:  gyrfalcon [ Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:  River Jurisdiction
Minnesota and Wisconsin borders are clearly defined on navigational maps, as well as by the states themselves. Even though this is true, both states exercise concurrent jurisdiction of the waterway.

(Edit: IGNORE THIS)
<s>From my understanding, a Minnesota resident can carry a firearm on the river if they have a permit. The only condition is that they can not stand on the Wisconsin shore.

A Wisconsin resident could not carry a firearm, even if he had a Minnesota permit because they fall under Wisconsin's jurisdiction as a resident.</s>

https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/sta ... &year=2008
Author:  SultanOfBrunei [ Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:32 pm ]
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Please check this thread: Mississippi River
Author:  Hunter07 [ Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:35 pm ]
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I asked the same question in this thread.
Author:  old guy [ Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:29 pm ]
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If I remember correctly back a few years whern I worked for the St. Croix Co. Wis. sherriffs dept we wrote citations anywhere on the river and the Washington co. Mn. boat did the same

John
Author:  Hunter07 [ Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:09 pm ]
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So basically, if we're on the water, depending on which states LEO's stop us, we're f*cked........... :?

Go figure....... :roll:
Author:  Traveler [ Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:35 am ]
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Hunter07 wrote:
So basically, if we're on the water, depending on which states LEO's stop us, we're f*cked........... :?

Go figure....... :roll:


Yes, as we climb towards that epitome of a police state.
Author:  tman065 [ Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:40 am ]
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old guy wrote:
If I remember correctly back a few years whern I worked for the St. Croix Co. Wis. sherriffs dept we wrote citations anywhere on the river and the Washington co. Mn. boat did the same

John


Which works well if no one hires a lawyer and fights jurisdiction...Have any cases like that?
Author:  old guy [ Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:53 pm ]
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tman065 wrote:
old guy wrote:
If I remember correctly back a few years whern I worked for the St. Croix Co. Wis. sherriffs dept we wrote citations anywhere on the river and the Washington co. Mn. boat did the same

John


Which works well if no one hires a lawyer and fights jurisdiction...Have any cases like that?


I don't remember any, this was 30 years ago. I was over there today and stopped at the SO but no one was available to talk to. I did find out from two fishing friends that you can fish anywhere on the boundry water with either states license but you can't stand on shoreline of either state and fish with the other states licinse

John
Author:  gyrfalcon [ Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:15 pm ]
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SultanOfBrunei wrote:
Please check this thread: Mississippi River


I did checkout that thread, but it didn't have an actual answer. Of course federal laws would apply on a navigable waterway, but they're primarily concerned with merchant vessels.

Unfortunately my understanding of concurrent jurisdiction did not seem to fit historical cases.


Adjoining states have concurrent jurisdiction on the waters forming their boundaries. The law of each state are valid when not in conflict and where there is a conflict the law of the state which is most restrictive in its character must prevail... See STATE vs NIELSEN Supreme Court of Oregon May 12 1908


So unfortunately it seems any carrying a concealed carry weapon on a boundry water is prohibited unless both states allow it.
Author:  JGalt [ Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:18 pm ]
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gyrfalcon wrote:
SultanOfBrunei wrote:
Please check this thread: Mississippi River


I did checkout that thread, but it didn't have an actual answer. Of course federal laws would apply on a navigable waterway, but they're primarily concerned with merchant vessels.

Unfortunately my understanding of concurrent jurisdiction did not seem to fit historical cases.


Adjoining states have concurrent jurisdiction on the waters forming their boundaries. The law of each state are valid when not in conflict and where there is a conflict the law of the state which is most restrictive in its character must prevail... See STATE vs NIELSEN Supreme Court of Oregon May 12 1908


So unfortunately it seems any carrying a concealed carry weapon on a boundry water is prohibited unless both states allow it.


Of course, you could always carry openly... :roll: Let us know if you decide to do so - I'll gladly follow the case.
Author:  gyrfalcon [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:24 am ]
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JGalt wrote:
Of course, you could always carry openly... :roll: Let us know if you decide to do so - I'll gladly follow the case.


In Wisconsin you may not openly carry a firearm in a vehicle... Most boats are considered a vehicle. :(
Author:  Andrew Rothman [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:17 pm ]
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So you can only open carry if you are swimming... :)
Author:  gyrfalcon [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:25 pm ]
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Andrew Rothman wrote:
So you can only open carry if you are swimming... :)


Glock 17 with maritime spring cups... check! :D
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