Yeah, I have to agree. Bangers are Loco nowadays... one was so "hardcore" he prepaid on his funeral at 24 and his final wish was to "be standing like a "G" at his wake" - Died for "The Crew" I guess.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO84sScbHwM

Mostly presents some good points.

I'm pretty strongly in favor of OC. I don't do it when it's going to be shoving it in people's faces, I'm considerate...but I prefer OC when possible.

That said, I think if you are going to carry openly, you need to give some thought to weapon retention. That means a holster that has at least some protection against a grab, an active awareness and ability to physically shield your firearm from a grab attempt, and a plan as to how to deal with a grab attempt (or worse yet, a successful grab).

I never have just one method of defense at my disposal, and neither should anyone else if at all possible. Hand-to-hand training, a backup firearm, a fighting knife...your choice. Combine for best results.

-Mark

We need a "nodding vigorously" smilie.

Ask Pinnacle about muggings and restrooms over at the other site. Victims can literally be caught with their pants down.

I have a question for you: can you please cite a case of a non-LEO OCing that has had a gun grab? Also, what about the deterrent factor? Perps would much rather not be shot; they'll wait to take their chances with the unarmed populace instead.

Ahhhh, open carry vs conceal carry....our own personal version of a holy war.

No, I can't, for a couple of reasons.

One, there's no uniform reporting of that type of thing.

Two, non-LE, non-guard OCing in populated areas is rare enough that the sample size is too small to be useful. I've only ever seen anyone OCing without a badge once, ever, aside from hunters and people at the Gopher Bar. I don't think my experience is unusual.

Hmmm, now what would the Professor say...oh wait, he already did!

"Rule #1: No one should know that you are carrying. No one."

But what the hell does HE know,,,,he only wrote the statute...

Open Carry is a legal option. It's a personal choice.

Why do so many of you have a problem with it??? You all rant about personal rights etc, Leave those alone who choose to open carry. It's none of your business. You should support the right. Not critisize it.

Heh.

Talk about teeing one up....

Wouldn't do it, but, just thinking aloud...

Wear the holster on your hip, leave that gun behind.

Have one, maybe, two in the pockets or elsewhere.

"Yo, that honky forgot his gun, let's get 'em!"

Element of surprise.

Nah. There's lots of things that people have every right to do that others -- including me -- criticize as unwise.

I'm not going to criticize open carry today, probably, but that's just because I'm tired of trying to repeat a nuanced position in different words, not because I think it's unreasonable to criticize somebody for doing something that they have every legal right to do.

It is a shame that any thread that mentions OC has to turn into a OC vs CC debate. We don't go into every CC thread and bash CCrs for not OCing, but for some reason they feel that they must.

Why oppose open carry?
1. Some people who carry still believe guns are bad, so they need to be hidden like a dirty secret (fear)
2. Some are afraid you will get the liberal government mad, and they will change the laws against all gun owners (politics)
3. Some people oppose anything that doesn't "fit it" with common practices and fear change. These people are usually quite obvious to spot in real life as they always insult or pick on anyone who is different from the norm. (bigots)
4. " Some one is gonna grab your gun!" (paranoid)
5. Some simply believe CC provides a better tactical advantage. (friendly advise)

I find most people here fall under the #5 tactical disadvantage camp. They are simply trying to help you to learn what they believe is a better option. I take it as nothing more than friendly advise. But when they start getting a little to preachy, then they tend to start to fall under some of the other categories.

I'd have to call that trolling...and not being entirely a "reluctant participant"!

Uh-huh. Too damn easy, in my opinion...

I don't think I've seen anything on these boards regarding OC that should NOT be taken as friendly advise.

I think we all recognize it's legal. We all recognize it as a personal choice. And even if we disagree I think we'd all defend your right to choose to do it.

At the same time every time we even come close to straying to this issue, the OCers cry out that they are being ridiculed and belittled. That makes me a little more curious than the fact that you chose to OC.

My friendly advise, accept that we have a difference of opinion and people are going to share their rationale (correct or otherwise) for not making the same choice you did.