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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:14 am 
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I just saw a message on a local gun store site that carry renewal classes are suspended until April of 2010. Apparently due to some legal hitch. Can anybody elaborate?


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Because there was a brief time period when the carry law was suspended 5 years ago, 5 years later there is a brief time when there will be no renewals.

Although since one can take their class up to a year before renewing, one wonders why a given organization would cease offering renewals.

One also wonders what sort of short-cuts this organization is taking if they are differentiating between renewals and new applicants in their class scheduling.

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It's kind of bizarre, at that. I'm not sure what the folks at Bill's are thinking, really.

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I just saw a message on a local gun store site that carry renewal classes are suspended until April of 2010. Apparently due to some legal hitch. Can anybody elaborate?

Just to be clear -- because the folks at Bill's sure weren't -- it's the decision of Bill's to suspend their own classes. Nobody else has to suspend doing renewals just because Bill's has made that choice, and I expect that few, if any, other instructors will follow Bill's lead.

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Cool, less competition for me! :mrgreen:

Anyone over at Bill's, feel free to refer your paying customers my direction.

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That is funny as Bill's still has a link on the front page to renew your permit. :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock:

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Thanks for your replies everybody. They certainly helped to clear things up. It seems like, after making that statement, Bill's could have (should have) clarified things a bit more for the less politically informed among us.


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I'm still trying to figure out where the constitution fits into the whole thing.

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I'm still trying to figure out where the constitution fits into the whole thing.
That's easy -- the folks at Bill's are constitutionally incapable of expressing something clearly or completely. On a good day, they can sometimes stumble into accurately, but there's not a lot of good days.

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Is this a case of overthinking? I guess it makes sense...

I think it takes more energy to explain the situation because of posting the notice/sign, than to just refuse a "renewal" when a few people ask about it. Even saying "a few" is probably more than who would inquire about a renewal class.


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Presumably they are still offering classes for new applicants though right?? I'm not an instructor, I don't play one on TV and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so maybe I'm missing something here. But how is taking a renewal overwhelmingly different than a new applicant??

I mean they'll probably have less questions...actually maybe more since they've been there, done that and have seen the potential pitfalls they didn't think about the first time. But really, if you're doing new applicants, why not renewals?? What is the possible justification for this??

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Bill's renewal classes are significantly shorter than regular new classes. I took their renewal and was out in four hours. I believe the regular class is 6 to 8 hours.

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Presumably they are still offering classes for new applicants though right?? I'm not an instructor, I don't play one on TV and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so maybe I'm missing something here. But how is taking a renewal overwhelmingly different than a new applicant??

I mean they'll probably have less questions...actually maybe more since they've been there, done that and have seen the potential pitfalls they didn't think about the first time. But really, if you're doing new applicants, why not renewals?? What is the possible justification for this??
Lack of gold at the end of the rainbow.

The theory behind the generally-open, abbreviated renewal class is, roughly, that the applicant:

a: got everything that the instructor thinks that they should have in their original class, and

b: retained or picked up in the interim all of the important stuff that is going to be skipped in the renewal, and

c: will be able to retain or quickly pick up the other stuff.

I'm pretty skeptical about b: and c:, and I'm confident that, from my POV, a: is untrue in the Coconut Charlie classes.

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Ok still seems silly as all hell.

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