Nice job Moby!

It is always good to teach someone else.

I have NEVER had an individual call or email and request a carry permit class. Or even a permit to carry course. Not once since 2003.

It's ALWAYS been a concealed carry class. Always.

And the consumer, aka, the guy paying the freight, will continue to call it such no matter how often I, or other instructors mention that the statute doesn't require concealment. I could be wrong, but I'm not.

A friend of a friend told me:

"I gotta take my Conceal Carry permit training, what do I do exactly?"

I say:

"Permit to Carry. Do A) B) C)"

His response: "Nah, man, I want the Conceal Carry permit, not that one"

I tried explaining it is the same thing, but he really likes to call it what it is not...

By the end of the conversation he "had a confused" (LOLCAT Style Face)

He'll learn.

Conceal Carry just sounds more Ninja-Stealth versus Permit to Carry.

Tell him he should get the regular permit to carry, and have his Mommy Write "Good for Concealed Carry Only" on a Post-It, and attach it.

I suppose. Or, he could just ask the HCSO to issue him an ACTUAL "Conceal Carry Permit" - The guy would literally ask them to do it, I bet.

Saunassa is pointing out how many people call it that after the class, not before. Big difference.

"Concealed" Carry Permit sounds more bad or special, so people like it. Sort of like being a "secret" agent, instead of just having a job.

And the carry classes do teach how to conceal, which is a new concept to most gunnies, who learn the DNR stuff and nothing else. (At least I think carry classes teach concealment, lately i'm not sure of anything, maybe it is bowling ball theory or some such. Depends on the organization that certified the instructor, I suppose.)

Concealing the bowling ball is part of the advanced course.

I know our courses (Often taught at Bills) we all place emphasis on the correct terms and I even show people my PERMIT TO CARRY. No question then about the "conceal" part. people will still use incorrect terms because of habit and/or others around them using the term. How many people still call the magazine a CLIP? talked to one of my permit students the other day and he used that term !

I try to give people, like the security guy, a benefit of the doubt and then ask if they know about open carry.

Yes, we have corrected students of other trainers. Sometimes it might also be that the student "dozed off" for certain parts of their old class. Also, people just plain forget stuff they learned after a while. We all need to keep re-reading/practicing ourselves.

I have gone so far as showing students my MN Permit to Carry a Pistol and my Florida Concealed Weapon License and how FL uses the word “Concealed” on it while MN does not. I can’t say that the distinction always sinks in or is remembered.

Even if it was an independent instructor, hopefully they got the book that Bill's uses (I got one and took mine at Cabella's in Rogers), which nicely spells out the law.

I knew before I got my permit that it is a PTC, but still sometimes call it a CCP - I go back and forth. My reasoning is two-fold: I consider the audience, and I have more than one permit - the other (Utah) does say "concealed" on it.

Here's a question for the thread: I was told that the MN permit allows carry of long guns too. Is that true? It has been a harder question to get resolved than the other things I was told in my class. The instructor said it was something thought to be unnecessary at the time the bill was passed, but after Katrina hit, it became something that had renewed importance. As he put it, if disaster strikes, people would have the right to patrol their neighborhoods to deter crime.

I'm sure other folks with better knowledge can answer about long gun carry with your MN permit. I think the answer is "it is allowable", typically followed by "would you like to be the test case?".

As for your last sentence, that is entirely different. Just because you have a permit to carry a weapon for your own protection does not translate into "patrol your neighborhood to deter crime". Ability to carry a weapon, long gun or not, does not make a permit holder into a law enforcement officer. That being said, if the SHTF and we actually need to patrol our neighborhoods for protection I'm guessing that means we've moved into a gray area where carry permits and law enforcement officers are meaningless theoretical things at that point. And at that point I'll be patrolling with both a long gun and a handgun. Or two.

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Agreed. He just made that point in comparison to New Orleans after Katrina. Of course he missed the obvious, that had people been patrolling their neighborhoods after Katrina, they would have been targeted by NO cops trying to take everyone's guns away.

As far as I understand the law, you can patrol your own property all you want, no permit necessary. Just curious as to whether the long gun carry provision was true or not.

I'll give a different answer: according to 624.7181, it's not legally possible for a permit holder to carry a long gun in public, and therefore it can't be a crime.

Huh?