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 Duluth, MN --- Soldier, carrying, alcohol, somebody dies 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:41 am 
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Please lets break it down. First THERE IS NO MEDICINE THAT CAN BE USED TO TREAT STUPID.

Did Sheda brandish the gun before he was beaten? Where was the 911 call that there was ongoing trouble at the party?

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"[Hogan] admitted to [having] the better of Sheda and that Sheda was intoxicated and probably took out his pistol because [Hogan] was hurting him," the complaint said.


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According to the complaint, Hogan was straddling Sheda on the ground when Sheda apparently pulled out the pistol. Hogan wrestled it away, put the barrel under Sheda's chin and shot him while yelling the rap-slang epithet.


Sounds MURDEROUS, seems at that point he had disarmed Sheda………..Why kill him?

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The complaint alleges that Hogan, a lumberyard laborer from Duluth who has no serious criminal record, severely beat Sheda, wrestled away his pistol, and shot him in the head while yelling "187" followed by an expletive.


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He later told police that the number 187 is a reference in certain rap music to the California penal-code number for murder, the complaint said.


Sounds like tough guy, boys in the hood talk…. Is this where Duluth, bastion of LIBERLASIM is today?

And a query, does the fact that one may be “intoxicated” by itself preclude all self defense?

Sad indeed, but these behaviors are unfortunately not that uncommon.

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Duluth Police Sgt. Bob Shene, the lead investigator of what is Duluth's first homicide this year, called it a senseless death "involving good people who got wrapped-up in something that got out of hand."


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Unfortunately you can neither ban nor fix stupid.

I not sure I completely agree with this. I think "stupid" can be fixed or at least significantly reduced. "Stupid" is usually embedded bad habits and/or a set of beliefs that don't work well in the real world (ie. taking $3k and a gun to the bar to get plastered). Fix the habits and belief system and much of "stupid" goes away.

Not saying that it would be easy..... just possible.


>rant on<

Sure it is....lets start with cars. They've taken all the natural selection out of it!

Air Bags
ABS
The dang things will park themselves!

It's called learning how to drive. Drive to the vehicle you are in. You can't take a 54 Chevy Bel-air, all origional, 75mph and expect the drum brakes on all 4 corners to stop you on a dime. You can't expect those brakes to Not lock up as your trying to stop. When you get to the end of that stop, if you hit something now there is a pillow that pops out to save your stupid butt.

Where was the problem. Driver Error.

Ladies and Gentlemen, there is not enough Chlorine in the gene pool anymore. Think about it, years ago, stupid people just couldn't survive.

Welfare? Governement programs? HA! You come to this country and work to live. You don't expect hand outs. You don't get yourself knocked up 8 times so you can have enough food stamps and welfare to live. Years ago the only reason familys were so big was so that they could work on the farm! Again the stupid ones died young. Tragic? Yes. Would some people that don't deserve it die too? Yup, it's unfortunate, but it's going to happen.

Quite franlkly I'm tired of dealing with stupid people. Mostly the stupid people that seem to get elected and know what is better for me.

>Rant Off<


Anyway, Back to the real subject at hand....
It's unfortunate what happened to this Soldier. The wanna be gangster in this should be put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life with that particular song playing on repeat.



+1 on natural selection
Too bad that two people ruined their lives along with impacting their loved ones lives as well.


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He said he didn't know beforehand that his son was carrying a gun or why he would do so.

I can tell you why he was carrying a gun... He probably slept with one in Iraq. I don't even carry mine everyday and I feel naked without it.

BTW- A blackberry is a poor substitute.


Good point. And who knows what other effects the war had on SSgt Sheda? Some make it back home OK, and some don't. I hate to think what I'd be like after 18 months of getting bombed, mortared, and shot at.

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I'm not weighing in on the circumstances...I'll just say an american hero is lost, and someone else's life is wasted. The situation is so small/isolated (unlike a big restaurant in AZ, college in VA, or mall in Utah), I see nothing good for anyone out of this...only sadness, pain, and greif.


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I'm not weighing in on the circumstances...I'll just say an american hero is lost, and someone else's life is wasted. The situation is so small/isolated (unlike a big restaurant in AZ, college in VA, or mall in Utah), I see nothing good for anyone out of this...only sadness, pain, and greif.


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Agreed..........The unfortunate truth :cry: :cry:

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From the way the story was reported up here, it appears that most of it was Sheda's fault.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/articl ... m?id=45495

The approximate "timeline" if you will...

Early evening...goes out to Black Bear casino, carrying $2000 and his (illegally carried?) pistol. (Mistake #1)

1:15 AM Leaves "another Duluth bar". Gets turned away from FDL casino in downtown Duluth, for being intoxicated (Mistake #2 - drunk, carrying pistol)

3:00 AM, walking in east Hillside neighborhood, hears voices in yard, climbs over fence, starts flashing money, saying he wants to party (mistakes 3,4,5 - didn't go home, walking 'bad' neighborhood at 3AM, trespassing).

Instigates physical confrontation by hitting a third person that grabbed the money he was flashing, even though he gave it back. (Mistake #6, starts the fight).

In the ensuing altercations, he apparently leaves and then climbs back over the fence because he lost his wallet, retrieves the wallet, and then instead of keeping his mouth shut and leaving he makes some comment which starts a fight with the current "defendant" and his brother, during which he draws and gets shot with his own weapon. Mistakes 7, 8.

The Duluth trib also mentioned the "187" comment supposedly made by the defendant, but they did not clarify what comment Sheda made to start the last sequence of events.

Again, this is approximately how it was portrayed by the papers up here.

IMHO Sheda caused the whole thing the minute he went out that night with a gun on his person.

It was a sad situation in any light...

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Pretty hard to try and claim self defense when yelling 187 Mfer.....

and my only other comment to the story.....

WOW.... :cry:


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Wow! I was up there that weekend on an anniversary weekend getaway. There are some wacky people up there though. Had an Indian try to sell us jewelry and some carnival tickets. He kept following us. My wife was freaked, We kept walking. Later on she asked "Are you carrying?" I said yes. She said..."GOOD!"

I can't believe that whole ordeal. Really too bad. I still can't believe I was up there when it happened.


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Agreed, I wish we could ban alcohol. It serves no useful purpose when consumed. What a waste of life


You sound like an anti-gun bigot. Alcohol, in particular alcoholic beverages serve many useful purposes when consumed. There are a number of epidemiologic studies that have documented an association between the consumption of alcohol and a lower risk for coronary heart disease, diabetes, dementia and strokes.

Even if there are not health benefits to consuming alcohol, there may be social and psychological ones. Even if we discount benefits all together you're talking about banning something that has existed since the dawn of man...it's been tried and failed multiple times.

This exact same story could have happened even if alcohol hadn't been involved.

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Well thank You for your kind words Falcon, I see you found a 2 year old post to insult me :roll:



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Agreed, I wish we could ban alcohol. It serves no useful purpose when consumed. What a waste of life


You sound like an anti-gun bigot. Alcohol, in particular alcoholic beverages serve many useful purposes when consumed. There are a number of epidemiologic studies that have documented an association between the consumption of alcohol and a lower risk for coronary heart disease, diabetes, dementia and strokes.

Even if there are not health benefits to consuming alcohol, there may be social and psychological ones. Even if we discount benefits all together you're talking about banning something that has existed since the dawn of man...it's been tried and failed multiple times.

This exact same story could have happened even if alcohol hadn't been involved.


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just a quick comment on the banning alcohol. refer to the 18th and 21st constitutional amendments. If I like a drink every now and then (and very rarely to excess) why should it be against the law??

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Well thank You for your kind words Falcon, I see you found a 2 year old post to insult me :roll:


I honestly didn't realize the comment was from two years ago until you mentioned it, but I probably should have since the story seemed familiar. Maybe you've changed some of your opinions since then?

I get annoyed when people want to infringe on the liberties and freedoms we have. Personally I enjoy brewing beer and making wine as one of my hobbies.

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He said he didn't know beforehand that his son was carrying a gun or why he would do so.

I can tell you why he was carrying a gun... He probably slept with one in Iraq. I don't even carry mine everyday and I feel naked without it.

BTW- A blackberry is a poor substitute.


Good point. And who knows what other effects the war had on SSgt Sheda? Some make it back home OK, and some don't. I hate to think what I'd be like after 18 months of getting bombed, mortared, and shot at.


My big Brother, whom I adore, served two tours in Vietnam...that shit messed him up for years...he's ok now but the spigot still flows when I think of those days. Not an excuse for what happened but maybe the kid had a death wish??? Makes you wonder why he DID bring his gun?!

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I hate bringing up old posts too but this is my first time reading it. As soon as I saw the part "My plans when I get back are to drink until my heart stops." it does make me think that he had a death wish. While he was generous with his money he still appears as a fool. Regardless of your views on alcohol, one thing we can all agree on is that alcohol and guns don't mix.


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i would like to mention that it is a well known fact that suicidal people have a tendency to give away large amount of money and belongings. especially in advance of killing themselves. im not saying that he was suicidal, i think the want of be thug may have beaten him to death if their was no gun involved.

either way its one wannabe thug off the street and a sad loss of life on the other side.

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