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I was there too. I heard a cop tell someone it was the largest show ever held at the fairgrounds.
DPMS striped lower $179 (before election $109). DPMS LPK $89 (before election $59).


That gouging pisses me off. Nothing has changed yet.


Law of supply and demand. Demand HAS changed since the election.

Yes, would someone please explain as to why this is gouging? Supply and demand has driven prices up until they reach a level that meets. Now when water, food or lumber is needed after a disaster, the prices skyrocket and the consumer has to pay it because they have to have that product to maybe survive, now that is gouging. Just because you don't like the price, you can still walk away and life goes on, that is not gouging, that item is just a higher price than you are willing to pay.

So you guys that think this is gouging, when you win a $500 firearm on a $5 ticket, do you sell it for todays market value, prior election value, or for $6 and just a honest 20% profit? I think anything over the $6 would be consider gouging then by your standards.


I'll agree demand has jumped, but I also agree with the post above stating just how happy we can be to screw each other in the gun community. There was no, nada, zip, zilch reason for everybody to run around like a bunch of panicking passengers on a sinking ship after the election. Ignorance of how the laws work drove the demand, and yes, manufacturers and stores were all too happy to take more money and feed on the fear.

I'll support vendors who didn't crank their prices up.

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...... and yes, manufacturers and stores were all too happy to take more money and feed on the fear.

So these are the same that are keeping their shelves bare of ammunition and primers as to drive the price up even farther to make even more money?

I don't think so, they would like to be selling all they could if they could even get it. It has nothing to do with them, it is the consumer in a panic and I believe creating an artificial shortage. I was told by one gun shop owner that a guy came in and stocked up on primers and he didn't even reload, he was buying them "just in case". :roll:


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...... and yes, manufacturers and stores were all too happy to take more money and feed on the fear.

So these are the same that are keeping their shelves bare of ammunition and primers as to drive the price up even farther to make even more money?

I don't think so, they would like to be selling all they could if they could even get it. It has nothing to do with them, it is the consumer in a panic and I believe creating an artificial shortage. I was told by one gun shop owner that a guy came in and stocked up on primers and he didn't even reload, he was buying them "just in case". :roll:


I've had a chance to breathe, I'll agree with you. :lol:

I'm not (for the most part) pissed at the rank and file store owners. I talk to many of them on a regular basis, and I know they'd love to have more in stock. Gander's prices are through the roof, but they're ALWAYS stupid-high.

The fault is indeed the consumer panic. I'm seeing some stores cranking their prices up, mainly outside the metro (aka areas where it's harder to cross-check prices). The question then becomes whether or not it is the store or the manufacturer...they blame each other. It may be a good way to make a profit, but I need to sleep at night. Damn ethics. :lol:

Case in point...I was in a small gun shop in SE MN the other day on my way back to the Cities after conducting some business down there (I'll leave town and city out to protect the guilty). UMC 9mm was $20 per box of 50. Same box that is $12.99 on the net. I pinged the owner on it, asking politely if there was anyway he could come down on price...I could even see that the new price tag was stuck on top of an older one (which I'm guessing was lower). He (nastily) said nope, that was the going price and he was the only person with ammo in stock. Solution: I drove back to the cities and grabbed Magtech at $13 per box.

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...... and yes, manufacturers and stores were all too happy to take more money and feed on the fear.

So these are the same that are keeping their shelves bare of ammunition and primers as to drive the price up even farther to make even more money?

I don't think so, they would like to be selling all they could if they could even get it. It has nothing to do with them, it is the consumer in a panic and I believe creating an artificial shortage. I was told by one gun shop owner that a guy came in and stocked up on primers and he didn't even reload, he was buying them "just in case". :roll:


I am in total agreement with Cobb. My wife and I stopped by the Gander in E.P. last weekend, we ran into a long time friend of ours that has nothing to do with shooting sports/self preservation etc., once inside I had to take him around and show him where things were located. I talked to him a few days after and my guess was that he had spent a very large amount of money on stuff. I tried to educate him on value and making the correct choices but he was bound and determined that he was doing the right thing. This person has been very successful in his endeavors and Gander made a killing that day.

Cobb is right on the money, as always.

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...... and yes, manufacturers and stores were all too happy to take more money and feed on the fear.

So these are the same that are keeping their shelves bare of ammunition and primers as to drive the price up even farther to make even more money?

I don't think so, they would like to be selling all they could if they could even get it. It has nothing to do with them, it is the consumer in a panic and I believe creating an artificial shortage. I was told by one gun shop owner that a guy came in and stocked up on primers and he didn't even reload, he was buying them "just in case". :roll:


I am in total agreement with Cobb. My wife and I stopped by the Gander in E.P. last weekend, we ran into a long time friend of ours that has nothing to do with shooting sports/self preservation etc., once inside I had to take him around and show him where things were located. I talked to him a few days after and my guess was that he had spent a very large amount of money on stuff. I tried to educate him on value and making the correct choices but he was bound and determined that he was doing the right thing. This person has been very successful in his endeavors and Gander made a killing that day.

Cobb is right on the money, as always.

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That's right by my place, so I know all too well what they're charging. At least they were high to begin with, so they didn't need to change pricing. :lol:


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Gander's prices are through the roof, but they're ALWAYS stupid-high.


Ain't that the truth. The only deals I ever see at Gander is on some of their clothing if you hit it right, an unadvertised mark down, end of season or clearance sale.


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At least they were high to begin with, so they didn't need to change pricing. :lol:


Just one more reason I am going to miss Sportsman's WH :cry:


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There was no, nada, zip, zilch reason for everybody to run around like a bunch of panicking passengers on a sinking ship after the election. Ignorance of how the laws work drove the demand, and yes, manufacturers and stores were all too happy to take more money and feed on the fear.


Go read about the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- that's where I think gun legislation is going in the coming years.

I think that there is plenty of reason to stock up while it's still possible to do so.

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There was no, nada, zip, zilch reason for everybody to run around like a bunch of panicking passengers on a sinking ship after the election. Ignorance of how the laws work drove the demand, and yes, manufacturers and stores were all too happy to take more money and feed on the fear.


Go read about the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- that's where I think gun legislation is going in the coming years.

I think that there is plenty of reason to stock up while it's still possible to do so.


And if they do it, I think the Dems will be swapping bottom of the totem pole spots with the GOP. Socialism only plays well to a certain point.

As for me? I don't know what you're talking about. I sold all my guns privately before I had to file paperwork. It's been over a year now, so I tossed all the contact information...it's not like I was required to keep it. :twisted:
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I have a slightly larger stock than I use to, but I would not consider it hording since I am just mostly replenishing stock. I do see the need to have a stock for just in case, which I have and some are just now doing the same which is adding to the shortage. Remember the price on magazines that held more than 10 rounds? AR mags were $50 or more and then after the ban expired you could find them all over for $15 or less. For those of you that think nothing is going to happen, well I think you are mistaken. I think the assault weapon ban will surface again, they have been in the news in the last month in shootings and this will be used to push the ban or at least some more restrictions on them.

Ammo tracing is all the rage right now, not that it will be effective in any way to prevent crime or affordable to solve crimes. But it would drive the price of ammunition through the roof, which will take it out of the reach of the average joe.

Guys, more regulations are coming, we have be involved now to try and cut it off at the pass.

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Guys, more regulations are coming, we have be involved now to try and cut it off at the pass.
Wiser words may have been said, but not often, and not much wiser.

Cobb's got it right, folks; there's lots to do.

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Don't know how accurate or even true, but something to think about.

Obama's ban list.

http://www.infowars.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/


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