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Mark Twain wrote:

Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder.
- Advice to Youth speech, 4/15/1882

Author:	Ronin069 [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:20 pm ]
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So damn stupid and unnecessary... "Police said Dennis had stopped by to show off the handgun Friday night but did not know how semiautomatic pistols worked. He pulled the slide back, ejecting a round. Dennis then thought the gun was unloaded, but did not know another round is automatically inserted into the chamber when the slide moves forward again. According to investigators, Dennis pointed the handgun at Bartuoh and, thinking the gun was unloaded, pulled the trigger." http://www.startribune.com/local/345273 ... aDiaMDCiUZ

Author:	Ronin069 [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:26 pm ]
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...and now a follow up...let me see if I can help Mr Webb answer his own question and better understand what happened. Pointing a loaded gun at another human being and pulling the trigger is not an accident - it is murder...again, what a damn waste. Webb said Bartuoh is the first student to die in his 11 years at the high school. "There's no explaining this, it isn't the goal," Webb said. "I think the goal is supporting each other right now. I don't think anyone can understand what happened. It just sounds like it was an accident."

Author:	Srigs [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:57 am ]
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Sounds like Manslaughter to me. What an idiot.

Author:	White Horseradish [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:26 am ]
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Mark Twain wrote: Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder. - Advice to Youth speech, 4/15/1882

Author:	Macx [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:44 am ]
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20 year old in MN . . . was legally in posession of that handgun he didn't know how to opperate? I wonder if it was one from the Gunstop Heist? Wouldn't that be ironic. Seems like those gun laws weren't strick enough. .. . Obviously if we had more stringent gun laws a clueless 20 year old wouldn't pop a cap in his best friend "just playing around".

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Author:	1911fan [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:07 pm ]
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Another reason hunter safety,gun safety should be mandatory in Mn Public schools. I would sixth grade at the latest.

Author:	Traveler [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:10 pm ]
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No doubt both of them were just starting to turn their lives around. Such a tragedy. I sure am glad that I know enough about firearms that I make sure they are unloaded before I pull the trigger after aiming at my friend/relative/neighbor/spouse/child. We play that game a lot. Don't all of you?

Author:	joelr [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:17 pm ]
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It's very sad. And entirely avoidable.

Author:	Five Seven [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:17 pm ]
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If no gun training in schools, at the VERY LEAST, all schools should make it clear to always treat a gun as if it's loaded!

Author:	sigman [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:57 pm ]
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Another "child" added to the anti's stats.

Author:	AGoodDay [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:29 pm ]
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Should we as a group talk to our local schools and offer to teach a basic gun safety course as part of the regular school schedule? They could incorporate it into their phy ed classes or something.

Author:	joelr [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:16 pm ]
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AGoodDay wrote: Should we as a group talk to our local schools and offer to teach a basic gun safety course as part of the regular school schedule? They could incorporate it into their phy ed classes or something. It's worth a try.

Author:	Tick Slayer [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:06 pm ]
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Health class!

Author:	someone1980 [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:04 pm ]
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White Horseradish wrote: Mark Twain wrote: ...You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him... I think that it shows point shooting works.

Author:	mitchx3 [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:12 am ]
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Obviously this is the fault of the high capacity(anything greater than 0+1) aspect of the weapon. If Glock had supplied a socially responsible magazine with the gun he would not have had to shoot his friend.

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