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cobb
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Post subject: Training from Suarez Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:26 pm |
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Has anybody here taken any classes from Suarez?
http://www.suarezinternational.com/2006classes/crg-hibbing2006.html
I and a friend are signed up for his Close Range Gunfighting class in Hibbing on August 12th & 13th. I try to get into a class or so every year to help advance my ability, even though you can't tell it when I am shooting an IDPA course. Last year I did manage two classes, a Final Option and a Front Sight class. This year I am signed up for the Level II Defensive Handgun class given by FRI, the class that phorvick set up, and the Suarez class.
So any suggestions on Suarez, or maybe some suggestions that I can look at for next year?
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mostlylawabidingcitizen
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:04 pm |
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My, one could spend a "bit" of money at that place!
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cobb
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm |
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mostlylawabidingcitizen wrote: My, one could spend a "bit" of money at that place!
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Yes, I agree. And I have zero problem spending that "bit" of money so that I am well versed in protecting myself and my family.
And yes, I spend that "bit" of money to repair may brakes, and do preventative maintenance on our family car, because that "bit" of money spent can save a bunch of money later and also keep my family out of a harmful situations because the family car fails for a lack of a "bit" of preventative action.
I apologies if I took your "bit" in the wrong context, but I also don't carry a Hi Point for a "bit" of self protection.
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Srigs
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:35 pm |
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I have his Combat Markmanship book and has helped me with many areas including my reloading, grip, drawing, failure handling and accuracy.
I'll have to see if there is room in the checkbook for the class.
_________________ Srigs
Side Guard Holsters
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton
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mostlylawabidingcitizen
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:42 am |
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cobb wrote: mostlylawabidingcitizen wrote: My, one could spend a "bit" of money at that place!
Mostly- Yes, I agree. And I have zero problem spending that "bit" of money so that I am well versed in protecting myself and my family. And yes, I spend that "bit" of money to repair may brakes, and do preventative maintenance on our family car, because that "bit" of money spent can save a bunch of money later and also keep my family out of a harmful situations because the family car fails for a lack of a "bit" of preventative action. I apologies if I took your "bit" in the wrong context, but I also don't carry a Hi Point for a "bit" of self protection.
You did, The bit I was speaking to is in the same league of "I could spend a bit of money at the gun show" It was not a reflection on their prices, but rather a measure of interest in their content as in there are many classes I would like to attend there.
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cobb
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:47 am |
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mostlylawabidingcitizen wrote: cobb wrote: mostlylawabidingcitizen wrote: My, one could spend a "bit" of money at that place!
Mostly- Yes, I agree. And I have zero problem spending that "bit" of money so that I am well versed in protecting myself and my family. And yes, I spend that "bit" of money to repair may brakes, and do preventative maintenance on our family car, because that "bit" of money spent can save a bunch of money later and also keep my family out of a harmful situations because the family car fails for a lack of a "bit" of preventative action. I apologies if I took your "bit" in the wrong context, but I also don't carry a Hi Point for a "bit" of self protection. You did, The bit I was speaking to is in the same league of "I could spend a bit of money at the gun show" It was not a reflection on their prices, but rather a measure of interest in their content as in there are many classes I would like to attend there. Mostly-
I guess I just take some things too seriously.
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mostlylawabidingcitizen
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:11 am |
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cobb wrote: mostlylawabidingcitizen wrote: cobb wrote: mostlylawabidingcitizen wrote: My, one could spend a "bit" of money at that place!
Mostly- Yes, I agree. And I have zero problem spending that "bit" of money so that I am well versed in protecting myself and my family. And yes, I spend that "bit" of money to repair may brakes, and do preventative maintenance on our family car, because that "bit" of money spent can save a bunch of money later and also keep my family out of a harmful situations because the family car fails for a lack of a "bit" of preventative action. I apologies if I took your "bit" in the wrong context, but I also don't carry a Hi Point for a "bit" of self protection. You did, The bit I was speaking to is in the same league of "I could spend a bit of money at the gun show" It was not a reflection on their prices, but rather a measure of interest in their content as in there are many classes I would like to attend there. Mostly- I guess I just take some things to seriously.
AND WELL YOU SHOULD be - NOW "I" would never jump to conclusions! nor fly off the handle...
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keith
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Post subject: Re: Training from Suarez Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:55 am |
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cobb wrote: Has anybody here taken any classes from Suarez? http://www.suarezinternational.com/2006classes/crg-hibbing2006.htmlI and a friend are signed up for his Close Range Gunfighting class in Hibbing on August 12th & 13th. I try to get into a class or so every year to help advance my ability, even though you can't tell it when I am shooting an IDPA course. Last year I did manage two classes, a Final Option and a Front Sight class. This year I am signed up for the Level II Defensive Handgun class given by FRI, the class that phorvick set up, and the Suarez class. So any suggestions on Suarez, or maybe some suggestions that I can look at for next year?
I'll be interested to get hear how the class was after you take it.
There was a not so flattering article on one of his classes in SWAT magazine a couple of months ago. In fact the author took two classes of his and actually left halfway through the second class stating there was multiple safety violations that were never corrected in both classes. Actually, he said the final straw was when Gabe went downrange and stood next to a target and had an associate shoot the target that was next to Gabe, "just so he could remember what it was like."
I have two buddies, one is a former Army Ranger and the other is a former Marine, that were also going to take the class in Hibbing and after I showed them this article, they decided not to go.
This article had such a negative tone to it that I was surprised that they actually printed it for fear of it being looked at as slanderous.
Looking at his website, there are lots of glowing reviews from former students. So I don't know what to think.
If you're looking for stuff to do next year, John Farnham usually comes around at least once a year to do some training. He comes highly recommended. http://www.defense-training.com/
And The Chapman Academy down in Columbia, Missouri also has a very good reputation. They're both on my list if I get the chance.
http://chapmanacademy.com/about.shtml
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cobb
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Post subject: Re: Training from Suarez Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:58 am |
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keith wrote: cobb wrote: Has anybody here taken any classes from Suarez? http://www.suarezinternational.com/2006classes/crg-hibbing2006.htmlI and a friend are signed up for his Close Range Gunfighting class in Hibbing on August 12th & 13th. I try to get into a class or so every year to help advance my ability, even though you can't tell it when I am shooting an IDPA course. Last year I did manage two classes, a Final Option and a Front Sight class. This year I am signed up for the Level II Defensive Handgun class given by FRI, the class that phorvick set up, and the Suarez class. So any suggestions on Suarez, or maybe some suggestions that I can look at for next year? I'll be interested to get hear how the class was after you take it. There was a not so flattering article on one of his classes in SWAT magazine a couple of months ago. In fact the author took two classes of his and actually left halfway through the second class stating there was multiple safety violations that were never corrected in both classes. Actually, he said the final straw was when Gabe went downrange and stood next to a target and had an associate shoot the target that was next to Gabe, "just so he could remember what it was like." I have two buddies, one is a former Army Ranger and the other is a former Marine, that were also going to take the class in Hibbing and after I showed them this article, they decided not to go. This article had such a negative tone to it that I was surprised that they actually printed it for fear of it being looked at as slanderous. Looking at his website, there are lots of glowing reviews from former students. So I don't know what to think. If you're looking for stuff to do next year, John Farnham usually comes around at least once a year to do some training. He comes highly recommended. http://www.defense-training.com/And The Chapman Academy down in Columbia, Missouri also has a very good reputation. They're both on my list if I get the chance. http://chapmanacademy.com/about.shtml
Man, that's really not what I wanted to hear.
How about a link to the article that you refer to.
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keith
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:16 am |
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About the best I can do right now is this http://www.swatmag.com/archive_2005/dec05.html/
Scroll down for a short description of the article by author John Aaron.
I think I gave the magazine to a friend after I read it.
You can download the old mags for $4.99.
I'll do some more digging and see if anyone has posted the article somewhere.
Edit
Ok. Looks like you have to go into the archives section since the address didn't go where it should have. December 2005 magazine.
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APD
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:02 am |
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Gabe Suarez is a monthly contributor to Concealed Carry Magazine. You can check their website http://www.concealedcarrymag.com/ and click on Sample Article 06.pdf, which appears towards the bottom of the home page, to see one of Suarez's articles and get a flavor of his style.
_________________ It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. --- Mark Twain
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plblark
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Post subject: That seated shooting line gives me the heebie jeebies Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:20 am |
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It's tactical, it's real world, and it has TONS of muzzle sweep potential. That would NOT be a comfortable class for me at the moment.
Perhaps I'm over reacting?
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keith
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:23 am |
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Still digging. I'll try and find a certain GlockTalk thread on exactly this magazine article and link it here. If I remember Gabe even chimes in at one point in this 5 page thread.
Take what you want from it. You get both sides of the story.
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Post subject: Here is a link Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:43 pm |
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keith wrote: Still digging. I'll try and find a certain GlockTalk thread on exactly this magazine article and link it here. If I remember Gabe even chimes in at one point in this 5 page thread.
Take what you want from it. You get both sides of the story.
http://tinyurl.com/mncha
I've read the thread, I'll pass on Gabe, but each to his own
_________________ Bob Jahn
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor -PPITH, PPOTH & RTBAV BCA Certified Training Organization under PPA Minnesota Permit to Carry Instructor Utah Certified CFP Instructor NRA CRSO, IDPA CSO
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Post subject: Re: Training from Suarez Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:21 pm |
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keith wrote: cobb wrote: Has anybody here taken any classes from Suarez? http://www.suarezinternational.com/2006classes/crg-hibbing2006.htmlI and a friend are signed up for his Close Range Gunfighting class in Hibbing on August 12th & 13th. I try to get into a class or so every year to help advance my ability, even though you can't tell it when I am shooting an IDPA course. Last year I did manage two classes, a Final Option and a Front Sight class. This year I am signed up for the Level II Defensive Handgun class given by FRI, the class that phorvick set up, and the Suarez class. So any suggestions on Suarez, or maybe some suggestions that I can look at for next year? I'll be interested to get hear how the class was after you take it. There was a not so flattering article on one of his classes in SWAT magazine a couple of months ago. In fact the author took two classes of his and actually left halfway through the second class stating there was multiple safety violations that were never corrected in both classes. Actually, he said the final straw was when Gabe went downrange and stood next to a target and had an associate shoot the target that was next to Gabe, "just so he could remember what it was like." I have two buddies, one is a former Army Ranger and the other is a former Marine, that were also going to take the class in Hibbing and after I showed them this article, they decided not to go. This article had such a negative tone to it that I was surprised that they actually printed it for fear of it being looked at as slanderous. Looking at his website, there are lots of glowing reviews from former students. So I don't know what to think. If you're looking for stuff to do next year, John Farnham usually comes around at least once a year to do some training. He comes highly recommended. http://www.defense-training.com/And The Chapman Academy down in Columbia, Missouri also has a very good reputation. They're both on my list if I get the chance. http://chapmanacademy.com/about.shtml
John Skaggs, who took over Chapman Academy from Ray Chapman had a serious stroke last summer and to my knowledge is no longer teach. That said I've took a class at Chapman in 4/2003 and got a LOT out of it, Chapman Academy is still worth looking at, just set your expectations accordingly.
I friend from CO has taken several Gabe classes and has thought well of them. But given the safety issues expressed in the SWAT article and the number of quality instructures around, I'd pass on Gabe as well.
There are lots of other quality schools or instructors who travel to MN. Farnham is one, Final Option out of St. Cloud is another. LFI comes to MN and WI. Just some of the many training options out there.
_________________ Hail the flashlight king.
You will not rise to the occasion; you will default to your level of training
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