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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:30 pm 
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Speaking of ouchies...anybody see Mythbusters the other night?

There's a good reminder to mind your thumbs when shooting a revolver... :shock:

For those who missed it, they confirmed that a .500 magnum revolver could blow a thumb clean off if you were dumb enough to lay it alongside the cylinder gap.

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I watched that one too. I was pretty interested to see if it were true, though I suspected it was before I saw the show.


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I would like to try one deer hunting, If i hunted, lol Be fun to take a deer almost a mile away. 50 cal, he wouldn't run far


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JimC wrote:
I would like to try one deer hunting, If i hunted, lol Be fun to take a deer almost a mile away. 50 cal, he wouldn't run far

While both utilize the same diameter projectile, there is a world of difference between the .500 S&W Magnum (revolver cartridge) and the .50 BMG (rifle cartridge).


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macphisto wrote:
JimC wrote:
I would like to try one deer hunting, If i hunted, lol Be fun to take a deer almost a mile away. 50 cal, he wouldn't run far

While both utilize the same diameter projectile, there is a world of difference between the .500 S&W Magnum (revolver cartridge) and the .50 BMG (rifle cartridge).


Although I still wouldn't want to be in the way of a .500 Magnum, even at a mile away...

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Yeah, could leave a nasty bruise if the trajectory was just right.


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Yeah, could leave a nasty bruise if the trajectory was just right.


LOL

Hey, I also saw the episode where they discussed the ability of a round at the right trajectory being able to kill.

Granted, you're not gonna get that distance out of this round...but ouch! :lol:

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The owner of another forum I'm on blew his thumb off a while ago.

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=722996

not sure if attachments show up for non members, but they are kind of gross.


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You have to be a member with at least 5 posts to view that thread. :oops:

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I'll repost it then. At first he tried to blame it on a gun malfunction, then questioned if the ammo was faulty. In the end the internet discovered that he had an improper grip, and blew it off from only his negligence.


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460XVR blew my thumb off today!

No joke, about 1/2 of my left thumb is gone ... what's left is a friggin mess.

It's pretty hard to type, and I'm only posting because you never know, it might save somebody else a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip, fired off a Cor-Bon DPX .460 and the blast came violently out the side of the gun.

At first my thumb was so covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad it was ... and I was full of adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly it looked really bad, my whole hand was covered in blood and it was kinda gushing.

The blown-off thumb was on my support hand. I'll re-create the grip tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but it's not like I didn't already know not to get any body part near the cylinder gap. And even if I totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems a bit excessive?

Just be careful with those 460's. That case operates at such high pressure, it's just asking for trouble.

BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it. Info about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models. Ammo was 200gr Cor-Bon DPX.

The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon through it, and 10 .45 Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially still brand new.

Saw a hand specialist while there today. Lots of ways to try and save what's left, but first I just have to hope it doesn't get infected in the next few days ... then surgery early next week.

The hand specialist I spent a few hours with last night said that in gunshot wounds there is always a lot more damage than is first visible ... same with things like fireworks going off in your hand. A lot more flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall off over the next couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and that's also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin over dead skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and they'd have to start all over again.


Picture of S&W .460:

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Picture of how he was holding it:

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Why you keep your fingers away:

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Results *warning graphic pic of a thumb blown open*

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Pic a couple months later once it has healed a bit:

http://i40.tinypic.com/nbsum8.jpg


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The 460 revolver is a product liability lawsuit waiting to happen.

Too much pressure for a revolver, apparently. I hope S&W can fix the problem somehow, or these guns will be off the market I think.

I'd bet we'll see some changes in the next year or so.


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Dick Unger wrote:
The 460 revolver is a product liability lawsuit waiting to happen.

Too much pressure for a revolver, apparently. I hope S&W can fix the problem somehow, or these guns will be off the market I think.

I'd bet we'll see some changes in the next year or so.


The gun didn't fail...this one was entirely user error.

The reviews I've read have been pretty positive from the standpoint of a hunting handgun. Is there something I'm missing?

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"User error"?

I don't think so. It's unreasonably dangerous to have that much blast coming out of the side of the gun. It's forseeable that a shooter will use a two hand hold and have a body part ih the way. Regardless of shat the instruction manual says.

Should be an easy lawsuit I would think. Liability is a slam dunk, the picture shows plenty of pain and suffering and the hand is permanantly disabled and will affect any activity he uses his hand for. Liability plus damages equals profitable lawsuit for a plaintiff.

It's probably a tough fix. The tighter the gap the more directed the blast. And the gap will open in time.

I've wanted one since they came out. But I guess I'll wait.


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The one deer I've shot with my .460 was taken while using a round hay bale for a rest. Had a pair of those nifty dual layered, insulated hunting mittens with the slot opening for the fingers to access the outside when you need to and took them off to pad the bale surface while setting up the shot. Ruined both mittens, very thoroughly, even the one underneath, with the blast from the cylinder gap. I didn't have any trouble believing the accounts of people messing up their hands using a poorly considered gripping technique even without Mythbusters.

But it does go to show that I'm a slow learner: the desert cammie boonie cover I wore in Kuwait and for the first summer or so after getting back has dual scorch marks the width of a Ruger Blackhawk frame apart from pulling a similar stunt with a .32-20. And I still went ahead with the mittens under the .460. :roll:


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Dick Unger wrote:
"User error"?

I don't think so. It's unreasonably dangerous to have that much blast coming out of the side of the gun. It's forseeable that a shooter will use a two hand hold and have a body part ih the way. Regardless of shat the instruction manual says.

Should be an easy lawsuit I would think. Liability is a slam dunk, the picture shows plenty of pain and suffering and the hand is permanantly disabled and will affect any activity he uses his hand for. Liability plus damages equals profitable lawsuit for a plaintiff.


Dick, you sound just like a lawyer... :wink:

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