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Pakrat
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Post subject: Bill of Rights Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:00 pm |
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So, why is it that every tom dick and harry can scream "first amendment" when they are speaking out against something. But, gun owners get "the second amendment doesn't apply to state levels"?
I'm sure most state's have their own version of the first amendment, but these people are claiming protection under the first amendment in courts. MN's could be interperted to mean only press and not the people.
No, I don't have any specific cites. I just felt like throwing this out there.
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AGoodDay
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:04 pm |
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Because people are stupid.
OK, well that is my opinion, but moving beyond that. When you figure out a better reason than that, please let me know. When people actually figure out that little tidbit (unlikely) I'll be absolutely ecstatic.
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ChillyW
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:45 pm |
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Why do people quote Bible scripture that they agree with, and yet totally ignore or discredit the parts that they don't agree with?
Best answer I've found so far is pretty much what AGoodDay said.
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Selurcspi
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:06 pm |
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ChillyW wrote: Why do people quote Bible scripture that they agree with, and yet totally ignore or discredit the parts that they don't agree with?
Best answer I've found so far is pretty much what AGoodDay said.
For the same reason they keep writing new versions of the Bible.
They only want the parts they like and want to lose the parts they don't.
look up Acts 8:37 in any Bible except the King James.
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joelr
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:12 pm |
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ChillyW wrote: Why do people quote Bible scripture that they agree with, and yet totally ignore or discredit the parts that they don't agree with? Because very few of them know how to properly make their burnt offerings at the Temple, and think that it'd be a mother of a commute?
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mostlylawabidingcitizen
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:56 pm |
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ChillyW wrote: Why do people quote Bible scripture that they agree with, and yet totally ignore or discredit the parts that they don't agree with?
Best answer I've found so far is pretty much what AGoodDay said.
Same could be said about Indian Treaties...
3 off the res...
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BigRobT
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:05 pm |
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Interesting parallel, last night on the History channel was a show on the 10 Commandments. Funny how Christians ignore one of the main ones, you know, the one about "graven images". MN has a Second Amendment Clause, but State's rights trumps Federal in some cases.
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:23 pm |
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How come no one ever insists on their Third Amendment rights? Maybe I'll start a group...
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mobocracy
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:55 pm |
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BigRobT wrote: Interesting parallel, last night on the History channel was a show on the 10 Commandments. Funny how Christians ignore one of the main ones, you know, the one about "graven images". MN has a Second Amendment Clause, but State's rights trumps Federal in some cases.
I'd be fine with them if my neighbors' wives weren't so attractive!
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BigRobT
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:29 pm |
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mobocracy wrote: BigRobT wrote: Interesting parallel, last night on the History channel was a show on the 10 Commandments. Funny how Christians ignore one of the main ones, you know, the one about "graven images". MN has a Second Amendment Clause, but State's rights trumps Federal in some cases. I'd be fine with them if my neighbors' wives weren't so attractive!
_________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have. - Barry Goldwater
"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.] -- (Lucius Annaeus) Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD),
The Nanny State MUST DIE!!!
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:07 am |
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[quote="BigRobT" Funny how Christians ignore one of the main ones, you know, the one about "graven images". [/quote]
Not get off track on religion -
That commandment refers to worshipping the image as if it were a god itself. I don't think any thinking Christians today believe that God is physically present in a plaster statue.
They're just used as reminders. Like the picture you have of your wife and kids in your wallet. Many people even talk to the pictures of their relatives. Of course, they know they can't hear them.
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Selurcspi
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:05 am |
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It's not that God is present, it is that our focus is on things and not God.
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squib_joe
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:38 pm |
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It is still possible to praise, honor, and venerate an image without commiting idolatry - in fact it's encouraged in many faiths (Eastern Orthodox iconography, for instance).
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Macx
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:54 am |
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For those that don't have kick butt Bible software on their laptopss:
YLT Acts 8:37 And Philip said, 'If thou dost believe out of all the heart, it is lawful;' and he answering said, 'I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God;'
ASV Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
DRA Acts 8:37 And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answering, said: I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
NAS Acts 8:37 And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
KJV Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
As for the Third Commandment -
Exodus 20:4-5 4 'Thou dost not make to thyself a graven image, or any likeness which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth. 5 Thou dost not bow thyself to them, nor serve them: for I, Jehovah thy God, am a zealous God, charging iniquity of fathers on sons, on the third generation, and on the fourth, of those hating Me,
I think it is clear that this (third commandment) is a prohibition on creating idols. To interpret it as a prohibition on sculpture, photography, or artistic mediums in general, is very much akin to what the gungrabbers do when they stop reading the 2nd ammendment at "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" and disregard the "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." portion.
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SethB
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:32 pm |
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chunkstyle wrote: How come no one ever insists on their Third Amendment rights?
Perhaps because that's the only one the US government hasn't violated.
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