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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:06 pm 
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At the Anoka County Sherriff's office a couple of days ago, when turning in the paperwork for a renewal on my permit (which expires on July 1), the clerk told me that the new permit would take about a month, and that in the meantime the old one would not be valid. . . meaning, I can't legally carry during that period.

Is that right, of is there a grace period, since I do have a receipt?

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Dave Matheny wrote:
At the Anoka County Sherriff's office a couple of days ago, when turning in the paperwork for a renewal on my permit (which expires on July 1), the clerk told me that the new permit would take about a month, and that in the meantime the old one would not be valid. . . meaning, I can't legally carry during that period.

Is that right, of is there a grace period, since I do have a receipt?
Your permit is "deemed granted" thirty days after application, if it hasn't been denied or issued. Between the time that it expires and that time, it isn't valid.

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Ummm, I believe that the renewal takes effect at the same month/day that is on your old permit, just this year. I don't think there should be a grace period, but I don't know the law that well. Someone else will obviously know more then me. IMO there shouldnt be a grace period, when you apply for a new drivers liscense there is no grace period until you get your new card.

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joelr wrote:
Dave Matheny wrote:
At the Anoka County Sherriff's office a couple of days ago, when turning in the paperwork for a renewal on my permit (which expires on July 1), the clerk told me that the new permit would take about a month, and that in the meantime the old one would not be valid. . . meaning, I can't legally carry during that period.

Is that right, of is there a grace period, since I do have a receipt?
Your permit is "deemed granted" thirty days after application, if it hasn't been denied or issued. Between the time that it expires and that time, it isn't valid.


Haha, posted right before me, there you go.

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I am glad I don't live in Anoka County. A month for a renewal :?: :evil: :evil: What a bunch of B.S. So given the circumstances Dave could have used a couple weeks earlier start on the process? Sorry Dave, a good heads up for others getting ready to renew.

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When I applied on May 28 for renewal on June 30, it was my county's first renewal. At first they wanted $100, instead of the $75 Max for a renewal.

Anyway, they indicated that if I applied a couple of days later, they could consider it a new permit and charge the $100 because of the 30 day issue.

I'm certain that's wrong, a renewal is a renewal until after the existing Permit actually expires, at least, (and they renewed in 10 days anyway), but there is going to be confusion I think.

They didn't know the reason for the Receipt, and wanted to mail it with the Permit! I explained I needed the Receipt in case they didn't issue the permit in 30 days, and they quickly grasped that. They really didn't know why we have Receipts until I explained it. They though it was for the money instead of the Application.

They had gone to a "Carry Permit Seminar" for Sheriffs, and I think it was mostly about how restrictive they could be. If they'd get one of our instructors to speak for just 30 minutes, at a day long seminar, the other presenters would understand the law. But the Sheriff's Assn. assumes they know it all, I guess.

My renewal was very pleasant, but one would hope they'd understand the law as well as the guy applying. But this is an unusual law, in that it's not written from the point of view of the Sheriffs.


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Dave, maybe a dumb question, but why didn't you apply earlier? You can take training within one year of applying, so there was plenty of time. But I have found with the new students that I am getting for renewals, they do not remember any info on renewals when the took their first class.

My permit was to expire on June 26th, 2008. I took training for a renewal from another instructor on May 26th, 2007, 13 month before expiration. Then applied for my renewal on March 31st, 2008, 87 days before me permit expired and 10 months, 5 days after my renewal training. These are approximate day counts, but you get the idea.

It all worked, got my renewal about 2 months before my original expired.


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Dick Unger wrote:
Anyway, they indicated that if I applied a couple of days later, they could consider it a new permit and charge the $100 because of the 30 day issue.

I read the law (because of this thread) yesterday. You have up to 30 days from expiration to apply as a renewal. There can be a $10 late fee.

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Dick Unger wrote:

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a renewal is a renewal until after the existing Permit actually expires,


Not really.

Here is what is in 624.714

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2) a permit holder who submits a renewal application packet after the expiration date of
the permit, but within 30 days after expiration, may renew the permit as provided in clause
(1) by paying an additional late fee of $10.


Concerning the new expiration date, 624.714 states:

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(d) The renewal permit is effective beginning on the expiration date of the prior permit to
carry


I would agree that the Permit to Carry is not valid during the time the old one expired and the new one was issued, with this possible exception:

As I read this, if someone lets their Permit to Carry expire and on the 29th day after it expires is charged for carrying without a permit, he could apply for the renewal the same day, get his Permit to Carry renewed by paying the $10 late fee in addition to the $75. In 30 days the new P2C is issued, and per "d" above is effective on the expiration date of the old P2C.

Since I'm an engineer and not a lawyer, there is a bit of confusion for me in the wording of the law. As usual, I do not want to be or recommend anyone be the test case on this.


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Dick, you beat me to it by a few minutes. Between the time I read this topic, looked up 624, and composed by comments, you had already posted.


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My Wife and I took Joels class on May 10 me for renewal she is a first timer My wife submitted her ap on May 12 I did mine on May 13 it just so happens that the woman next door to use proccesses the permits and she told me that our paper work was appproved and cleared on May 15th. my wife got her permit on June 10 and I got mine on June 11 so I think they just make you stew until they have to send them out.

BTW She loved the class and seems giddy about having a permit.. except now she wants another gun :shock: can I really afford to support two habbits :wink:

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cobb wrote:
Dave, maybe a dumb question, but why didn't you apply earlier? You can take training within one year of applying, so there was plenty of time. .


Not a dumb question, only a dumb answer: Even though I had read Joel's piece about how you can take the training within one year of applying, it's the old story; I just let it go too long,

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