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Police shouldn't have "assault weapons" lest they
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kimberman
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Post subject: Police shouldn't have "assault weapons" lest they Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:05 am |
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From the DUF Report.
Quote: Rule Four Reminder: Six-year-old Adrian Trevino was asleep in bed next to his 3-year-old sister, Aletse, when he was jarred awake by loud noises outside his window: a helicopter flying overhead, yelling, then rapid gunfire. Just as Adrian sat up in bed, a stray bullet pierced his Maryvale home and struck him in the back, permanently paralyzing him from the belly button down. A Phoenix police investigation into the 2006 incident determined the bullet, intended for an armed suspect who had fled from a traffic stop, had been fired from Officer Michael Conrad's assault rifle. Four other bullets Conrad discharged also struck the home; a sixth bullet hit a neighbor's house... Trevino's family originally filed a $26 million claim against the city for physical and emotional injury, medical expenses, lost wages and other damages. After three years of negotiations, the Phoenix City Council this week agreed to pay the family a $6.5 million settlement... (Rule Four: Always be sure of your target and what's beyond it. I tell my CWP students that we now understand that, in a moment of life-threatening stress, our brains may not perceive what's in the background, making it crucial to select carry ammunition that is not likely to exit its intended target.)
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tman065
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Post subject: Re: Police shouldn't have "assault weapons" lest t Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:54 pm |
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kimberman wrote: From the DUF Report. Quote: Rule Four Reminder: Six-year-old Adrian Trevino was asleep in bed next to his 3-year-old sister, Aletse, when he was jarred awake by loud noises outside his window: a helicopter flying overhead, yelling, then rapid gunfire. Just as Adrian sat up in bed, a stray bullet pierced his Maryvale home and struck him in the back, permanently paralyzing him from the belly button down. A Phoenix police investigation into the 2006 incident determined the bullet, intended for an armed suspect who had fled from a traffic stop, had been fired from Officer Michael Conrad's assault rifle. Four other bullets Conrad discharged also struck the home; a sixth bullet hit a neighbor's house... Trevino's family originally filed a $26 million claim against the city for physical and emotional injury, medical expenses, lost wages and other damages. After three years of negotiations, the Phoenix City Council this week agreed to pay the family a $6.5 million settlement... (Rule Four: Always be sure of your target and what's beyond it. I tell my CWP students that we now understand that, in a moment of life-threatening stress, our brains may not perceive what's in the background, making it crucial to select carry ammunition that is not likely to exit its intended target.)
Another one of my nightmares...Wonder what the situation was at the scene. Was the cop taking fire right before this, or shooting at a guy who was running away with a gun?
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kimberman
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:58 pm |
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Binky .357
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:21 pm |
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Quote: In all, police fired 65 shots, 13 of them striking Hernandez. Upon hearing gunfire, Adrian's mother rushed into her children's bedroom. His stepfather carried the bleeding boy outside.
65 - 13 = 52 shots that didn't find their intended target. Hmmm...
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Q_Continuum
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:12 am |
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Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst.
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:12 am |
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Well, according to the VPC, "assault weapons" are just "bullet hoses" that can "spray down" an area.
I'd much prefer cops have the capability to shoot bad guys, and ONLY bad guys...
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tman065
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:05 pm |
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Q_Continuum wrote: Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst.
Onto the use of the word "civilian".
Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population.
Get over it.
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kecker
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:03 pm |
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tman065 wrote: Q_Continuum wrote: Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst. Onto the use of the word "civilian". Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population. Get over it.
I think that's kind of part of his point. LEOs are civilians too. They aren't super-citizens. Institutionalizing that sort of language makes one unconsciously believe they are super-citizens.
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tman065
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:36 pm |
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kecker wrote: tman065 wrote: Q_Continuum wrote: Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst. Onto the use of the word "civilian". Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population. Get over it. I think that's kind of part of his point. LEOs are civilians too. They aren't super-citizens. Institutionalizing that sort of language makes one unconsciously believe they are super-citizens.
Understood. It should also be understood that the police, by and large, DO differentiate themselves from non-police.
I have used the "C" word and will continue to do so. No biggie.
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kimberman
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:46 pm |
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tman065 wrote: Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population.
Actually, dictionaries agree with your usage.
Since police forces came into existence in the 1840's, they have NOT seen themselves as "civilians."
As the dictionaries attest, neither do most English speakers.
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