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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:05 am 
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From the DUF Report.

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Rule Four Reminder: Six-year-old Adrian Trevino was asleep in bed next
to his 3-year-old sister, Aletse, when he was jarred awake by loud
noises outside his window: a helicopter flying overhead, yelling, then
rapid gunfire. Just as Adrian sat up in bed, a stray bullet pierced his
Maryvale home and struck him in the back, permanently paralyzing him
from the belly button down. A Phoenix police investigation into the 2006
incident determined the bullet, intended for an armed suspect who had
fled from a traffic stop, had been fired from Officer Michael Conrad's
assault rifle. Four other bullets Conrad discharged also struck the
home; a sixth bullet hit a neighbor's house...
Trevino's family
originally filed a $26 million claim against the city for physical and
emotional injury, medical expenses, lost wages and other damages. After
three years of negotiations, the Phoenix City Council this week agreed
to pay the family a $6.5 million settlement... (Rule Four: Always be
sure of your target and what's beyond it. I tell my CWP students that we
now understand that, in a moment of life-threatening stress, our brains
may not perceive what's in the background, making it crucial to select
carry ammunition that is not likely to exit its intended target.)


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kimberman wrote:
From the DUF Report.

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Rule Four Reminder: Six-year-old Adrian Trevino was asleep in bed next
to his 3-year-old sister, Aletse, when he was jarred awake by loud
noises outside his window: a helicopter flying overhead, yelling, then
rapid gunfire. Just as Adrian sat up in bed, a stray bullet pierced his
Maryvale home and struck him in the back, permanently paralyzing him
from the belly button down. A Phoenix police investigation into the 2006
incident determined the bullet, intended for an armed suspect who had
fled from a traffic stop, had been fired from Officer Michael Conrad's
assault rifle. Four other bullets Conrad discharged also struck the
home; a sixth bullet hit a neighbor's house...
Trevino's family
originally filed a $26 million claim against the city for physical and
emotional injury, medical expenses, lost wages and other damages. After
three years of negotiations, the Phoenix City Council this week agreed
to pay the family a $6.5 million settlement... (Rule Four: Always be
sure of your target and what's beyond it. I tell my CWP students that we
now understand that, in a moment of life-threatening stress, our brains
may not perceive what's in the background, making it crucial to select
carry ammunition that is not likely to exit its intended target.)


Another one of my nightmares...Wonder what the situation was at the scene. Was the cop taking fire right before this, or shooting at a guy who was running away with a gun?

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More complete article is at:

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In all, police fired 65 shots, 13 of them striking Hernandez. Upon hearing gunfire, Adrian's mother rushed into her children's bedroom. His stepfather carried the bleeding boy outside.


65 - 13 = 52 shots that didn't find their intended target. Hmmm... :?

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Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst.


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Well, according to the VPC, "assault weapons" are just "bullet hoses" that can "spray down" an area.

I'd much prefer cops have the capability to shoot bad guys, and ONLY bad guys...

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Q_Continuum wrote:
Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst.


Onto the use of the word "civilian".

Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population.

Get over it. :lol:

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tman065 wrote:
Q_Continuum wrote:
Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst.


Onto the use of the word "civilian".

Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population.

Get over it. :lol:


I think that's kind of part of his point. LEOs are civilians too. They aren't super-citizens. Institutionalizing that sort of language makes one unconsciously believe they are super-citizens.

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tman065 wrote:
Q_Continuum wrote:
Since LEOs are civilians, they should be restricted to what civilians can privately own. Full-auto isn't effective, there's a reason the military's own M16A4 is safe/semi/burst.


Onto the use of the word "civilian".

Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population.

Get over it. :lol:


I think that's kind of part of his point. LEOs are civilians too. They aren't super-citizens. Institutionalizing that sort of language makes one unconsciously believe they are super-citizens.


Understood. It should also be understood that the police, by and large, DO differentiate themselves from non-police.

I have used the "C" word and will continue to do so. No biggie.

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tman065 wrote:
Regardless of the Webster's definition, cops use the word to separate them from the rest of the population.


Actually, dictionaries agree with your usage.

Since police forces came into existence in the 1840's, they have NOT seen themselves as "civilians."
As the dictionaries attest, neither do most English speakers.


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