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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:18 pm 
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Kasota man shot by deputy during attempted arrest



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KASOTA, MINN. -- A 24-year-old man shot and killed Monday afternoon by a sheriff's deputy had gotten into a verbal and physical altercation with the deputy, authorities said today.

But eyewitnesses said today that Tyler Heilman, of Kasota, was standing with his hands up at the time he was hit by at least two bullets.

"I'm done, man, I'm done -- what the hell?" were Heilman's final words, according to Kris Hoehn, who was standing nearby in the parking lot of an apartment complex.

Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension spokesman Andy Skoogman today identified the deputy as Todd Waldron, 37, an investigator and 10-year veteran of the LeSueur County Sheriff's Office. Waldron, who has been placed on a standard paid administrative leave, has no record of the use of force, Skoogman said.

"He point-blank murdered my son, my only child," Heilman's father, Mark, said, adding that his family may hire a lawyer to conduct a separate investigation of the shooting.

The state bureau has begun the official investigation of the shooting.

Heilman and Hoehn had been swimming in the Minnesota River when they drove to the Valley View Apartments, where several friends lived, to get something to eat. Soon after they got out of the car, Waldron's unmarked police vehicle pulled up.

According to Skoogman, Waldron had been working undercover on an unrelated case in Kasota, about 60 miles southwest of the Twin Cities, when he noticed a car driving erratically at a high rate of speed. He followed the car until it pulled into the parking lot of the apartment complex.

Waldron tried to arrest Heilman, but was caught in a verbal and physical confrontation, Skoogman said.

The deputy demanded to know who had been driving and asked the men to produce their drivers' licenses, but didn't identify himself as a law enforcement officer, Hoehn said. He said Heilman and Waldron began "wrestling" and Heilman pinned the deputy to the ground when he spotted the badge Waldron was wearing on his belt.

Heilman stood up, holding his hands in the air, Hoehn and another witness, Joelne Manderfield, said, adding that they didn't hear Waldron say anything. He fired four shots, Skoogman said, adding that it's not yet clear how many hit Heilman. Hoehn said he saw two bullet wounds in Heilman's chest.

Heilman turned the corner of the apartment building and collapsed, where Manderfield said she and other witnesses unsuccessfully performed CPR on him.

"He didn't deserve this fate," Hoehn said. "It shouldn't have happened. I was absolutely terrified."

Waldron suffered minor injuries. Although witnesses said a woman nearby was grazed by a bullet, that account is still being investigated.

.No weapons were found in Heilman's car.

Mark Heilman said he lives six blocks from the apartments and went there at the urging of a county official who lives in town.

There, he talked to witnesses, including one who tried to resuscitate his son, he said. He said his son was unarmed and wearing a swimsuit.

Asked about that, Skoogman said, "in cases like this, you need to look at the totality of the evidence."

Amber Hagan, a friend of Heilman's girlfriend, said today said today that "he was a good dad" to his 3-year-old son, Haydin.

"They're strong, they'll get through it," she said, referring to his girlfriend and family members. "It's obviously very hard. She's crying a lot."

http://www.startribune.com/local/513206 ... page=1&c=y

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:53 pm 
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So, is there any department in Minnesota that encourages officers in plain clothes and unmarked cars to make traffic stops? I can't imagine that there is.

What is it that we need here? Better training? A memo from the Notorious M.C.? A law?


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What is it that we need here? Better training? A memo from the Notorious M.C.? A law?


A successful CONVICTION (of assault 1?) followed by a 20-year PRISON sentence would send a First Class, Postage Paid message to the Minnesota law enforcement community.

But all County Attorneys NEED the "police" endorsement to get re-elected so don't expect much. Unless, of course, there is a REALLY BIG and SUSTAINED public outcry (started and nourished on the internet?).

And, the "scientists" from St. Cloud State will undoubtedly testify that the officer "decided" to pull the trigger FOUR times before he was conscious that the subject had surrendered and he was physically unable to stop the FOUR nerve impulses. This is commonly known as "junk science" but it has worked for the MPD several times. Ya' gets what ya' pays for.

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Todd Waldron needs to quickly hook up with Landen Beard and the Police Federation (their highly paid attorneys are awaiting). This confrontation can't be subject to be scrutinized by the average citizen. The LeSueur County Sheriff's Office needs to move quickly (take note of the quick response of the Robbindale Police Force & and Anoka County Prosecuter in the Beard case) to mitigate Waldron's actions and find justification for his murderous behavior. His 10 year tenure should give rational to his actions, he's a trained professional, and after all a near naked man is a major danger to plainclothes authority. Certainly Andy Skoogman and the LeSueur County Attorneys office will follow protocol in the matter. (HELLO WASHINGTON COUNTY :!: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: )

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But all County Attorneys NEED the "police" endorsement to get re-elected so don't expect much. Unless, of course, there is a REALLY BIG and SUSTAINED public outcry (started and nourished on the internet?).


God Bless Kimberman...........I'M READY TO GET THE BALL OF THUNDER ROLLING :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

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A successful CONVICTION (of assault 1?) followed by a 20-year PRISON sentence


Well, maybe at least a conviction for reckless discharge within a municipality.

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Because most folks are sheep, cops can actually order them around with tough talk for a little while. Undercovers seeem to enjoy that. I've been chased by undercovers in an unmarked car once. I didn't believe they were cops. (It turned out OK, I had a fast car and attitude to use it.)

And once, when I was 17, I had a town cop I knew turn "road rager" on me. He was in his personal car with his wife! (That came out alright too, because I eventually stopped by a crowd of people I knew, and and asked about his girlfriend, by her name, in front of his wife.) He sort of blurted that he was giving me a "verbal warning" and roared away. We all had a good laugh.

I've been told cops are trained NOT to do traffic with their own cars. Even with undercover, they usually "call it in". But apparently it's hard for a macho cop to be dissed by somebody he feels superior to. And with druggies, they know who the druggies are, so they feel they can successully roust them at any time.

Cops need to learn to "take it" sometimes when it doesn't make any difference. It's just part of being a professional. But cops have told me it's hard for them to take sh*t.


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I can't speak for Minnesota - but in Indiana, officers in unmarked cars must be in full uniform to enforce traffic laws -- making a traffic stop for a traffic violation while not in uniform renders the stop invalid. I recall a couple hours in the academy spent discussing this issue and the associated case law.

I think this makes sense -- there's too much opportunity for issues to arise if you're not in uniform, in an unmarked car, and then attempting to enforce a traffic law -- or initiate a stop based on traffic law.

Different story in my mind if you're not in uniform, in an unmarked car, and attempting to make a felony arrest, etc (i.e. non-traffic related). However, I still think it's a good (and safe) idea to bring in uniformed officers to make the stop to avoid a bad situation...

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Skoogman said on the radio this morning that Waldron did call for a marked car. He didn't know if it was a radio call or a cell phone call.

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If what Hoehn said is true, then perhaps Waldron should have simply identified himself as a law enforcement officer from the start.

When plainclothes LEOs don't ID themselves as such, I wonder if they are conditioned to omit that step because of the years of uniformed patrol where it's implicit who they are. Then they go plain-clothed and generally are doing investigative work where they only ID themselves up front when interviewing witnesses/victims/good guys or when dealing with bad guys, it's undercover work where, by definition, they need to keep their role a secret. Then when they initiate the rare patrol-style stop, assuming they aren't just raging, it's probably something more egregious, and they assume bad guy...and hence, as conditioned, keep their role to themselves. I'm not excusing it, but wonder if that's the psychology of it.


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hello,I'm new to this forum. I have a question about this case. I noticed at the officer demanded to know who had been driving the car. If the officer did not know who was driving the car can he make a legal arrest?


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According to some hearsay upon hearsay accounts I heard on the radio, the car belonged to a girl named Paige. So, if Waldron called in the plates, he learned the car was registered to a youthful female and he saw a shirtless young man driving. His question about who was driving would seem in line if all that is true.

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Someone who knows the guy who was shot suggests witholding judgement until we get all the facts...... :cry:


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Even if the victim had been rogue driving like an asshat, it still wasn't handled well and shouldn't have ended up this way.

Bottom line, it's the cop's responsibility to handle the traffic stop safely.


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When I went to my 1st law enforcement academy (22 years ago) we were taught that the FIRST thing we do when making contact is identify ourselves, even if in uniform.

The SECOND thing we were taught to do is explain why we were making contact (reason for stop, etc.).

These two little things go a long, long way towards easing tension and keeping a contact from spiraling out of control.


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