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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:52 am 
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Amazing, isn't it.


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I'm pretty sure I could come up with a justification for each and every one of these incidents.

I'd have to pretend I have an embarrassingly low IQ and I'd never get the taste out of my mouth, but I'm pretty sure I could do it.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:17 am 
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Amazing, isn't it.
Yup. What amazes me is how very easy it is to find these things; these rare, isolated incidents happen all the time.

(And, do let's remember, these are only publicized isolated incidents; most isolated incidents, it's fair to guess, never reach even the modest level of press coverage that these do.)

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I love this forum topic!

Isolated Incidents has become my favorite room since it's inception in the last week or so.

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Isolated Incidents has become my favorite room since it's inception in the last week or so.

Really? It's made me rather sad, disgusted, and disappointed since I started reading them.


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I suppose it depends on your point of view.

I've been well aware of the prevalance of this kind of stuff for quite some time; back when my "policeman bubble" was burst, I too felt the same sadness, disgust, and disappointment. I do see where you're coming from.

What I love is being able to have it all right in one convenient spot at TCC.com, which can be easily referenced, and being able to shake my head anew each day at the "policemen are your friend", and "only police should have weapons", etc. nonsense that one repeatedly hears.

Remember: out of sight, out of mind. The more people start to see how common "isolated incidents" are, the more people will stop perceiving law enforcement as super-citizens.

That's always a big plus for liberty. God bless the Internet!

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Carbide Insert wrote:
Remember: out of sight, out of mind. The more people start to see how common "isolated incidents" are, the more people will stop perceiving law enforcement as super-citizens.
That's always a big plus for liberty. God bless the Internet!


To me that's the thing, they are not super-citizens. They are common citizens that we allow a certain authority in the job we assign them, PROTECT & SERVE. It is never up to them to make up the law, interpet the law with their own bias, or to act in any manner that they would be percieved to be above the law. If a policeman/policewoman is convicted of a crime while under cover of authority, then the punishment for that crime should be harsher than what any other person would get.

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Remember, law enforcement are special people, and need to have special equipment that ordinary folks can't be allowed access to:

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Carbide Insert wrote:
Remember: out of sight, out of mind. The more people start to see how common "isolated incidents" are, the more people will stop perceiving law enforcement as super-citizens.
That's always a big plus for liberty. God bless the Internet!


To me that's the thing, they are not super-citizens. They are common citizens that we allow a certain authority in the job we assign them, PROTECT & SERVE. It is never up to them to make up the law, interpet the law with their own bias, or to act in any manner that they would be percieved to be above the law. If a policeman/policewoman is convicted of a crime while under cover of authority, then the punishment for that crime should be harsher than what any other person would get.


Dude, that's cop-bashing.

Or so I've been told.

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Scott Hughes wrote:
Carbide Insert wrote:
Remember: out of sight, out of mind. The more people start to see how common "isolated incidents" are, the more people will stop perceiving law enforcement as super-citizens.
That's always a big plus for liberty. God bless the Internet!


To me that's the thing, they are not super-citizens. They are common citizens that we allow a certain authority in the job we assign them, PROTECT & SERVE. It is never up to them to make up the law, interpet the law with their own bias, or to act in any manner that they would be percieved to be above the law. If a policeman/policewoman is convicted of a crime while under cover of authority, then the punishment for that crime should be harsher than what any other person would get.


Dude, that's cop-bashing.

Or so I've been told.
Repeatedly.

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Um, without intending to start a flame war, which part of all that is cop bashing?

The way things read to me, everything in both Scott's post and mine were civil... and Scott stated his opinion that there should be tougher sentences for LE when found to have abused their authority (with which I agree).

I understand cop bashing to be things of this nature:

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EVERYONE SHOULD HATE THE PO PO!!! :shock:
All cops are A-Holes!
All the police are out to do is to screw us!!! They're all the same!


What am I missing in either of our posts that qualifies as cop bashing?

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Um, without intending to start a flame war, which part of all that is cop bashing?

It isn't, which is the point "or so I've been told."

There are those who seem to consider any criticism of any police officer (with the possible exception of a court ruling) "cop bashing".


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Carbide Insert wrote:
Um, without intending to start a flame war, which part of all that is cop bashing?

The way things read to me, everything in both Scott's post and mine were civil... and Scott stated his opinion that there should be tougher sentences for LE when found to have abused their authority (with which I agree).

I understand cop bashing to be things of this nature:

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EVERYONE SHOULD HATE THE PO PO!!! :shock:
All cops are A-Holes!
All the police are out to do is to screw us!!! They're all the same!


What am I missing in either of our posts that qualifies as cop bashing?


I do believe that princewally, above, was speaking somewhat ironically. This board has had a recent history of some (now former) members being overly sensitive to criticism of the cops.

I, myself, believe that cops, like all public employees, require constant oversight by the constituents/taxpayers/citizenry (i.e., us). The powers that are given to the few are all too liable to abuse when not carefully restrained by the many. Such is the nature of democracy.

Not that I'm not grateful for the service rendered to me by our paid professionals. But it is informative to take a look at history and note that in ancient Athens, a prototype for our own democracy, the municipal police forces were composed of slaves. These were issued with nothing more than lassos. Abusive cops then were thus easily disposed of by shipping them off to do service in the mines.

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