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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:26 am 
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"Take off your clothes and step over to the ditch, please."

Quote:
"Under the Military Commissions Act, the president (now including Barack
Obama can seize citizens as enemy combatants even if they have nothing
to do with al-Qaida" because "an enemy combatant can be anyone 'who has
purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United
States ... Yes, indeed, that is still in the law."

Charlie Savage
Pulitzer Prize winner
For exposing Bush's "signing statements"
Who will Obama see as 'enemy combatants'?
By Nat Hentoff *
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... entoff.htm
Village Voice columnist
World Net Daily
November 12, 2008
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=80798



"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the
national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a
civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as
strong, just as well-funded."

Barack Obama
Obama's Civilian National Security Force
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmecy94 ... re=related



"I've been having some real problems with that particular statement.
The idea of a 'Domestic Security Force' has rather a grim sound to it.
Equal size and funding means what, exactly? Humvees? Milans? M1A1's?
Helicopter gunships? And the training it would require to operate same?
Educational requirements for membership? Rank structure? Pay scale?
Oh, and who would finance this 'force' for domestic security. Officered
by whom? Taking orders from who? Mission to do what, precisely? Somehow
I can't imagine them chasing rabbits around the Nevada desert. Who do
you think will emerge as the new 'Ernst Roehm' of this organization and
what precisely will be that organizations charter? Do you suppose this
will result in a 'Domestic Enemies List' or something of that nature. I
have to say that if a Republican or even Ralph Nader suggested something
of this nature that the 'Press' would be all over it and yet, thus far
we hear ... nothing."

Fredrick Chiaventone
US Army Colonel, Command School professor and well known author
In an email last night - Dan
http://home.earthlink.net/~chiaventone/
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/books/n/n146934.htm
http://articles.latimes.com/writers/fre ... hiaventone



CHRIS MATTHEWS: I want to do everything I can to make this thing work,
this new presidency work ...

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Is that your job? You just talked about being a
journalist!

MATTHEWS: Yeah, it is my job.

Chris Matthews
MSNBC
On Morning Joe
November 6, 2008
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/214673.html



The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the
United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and
swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation ... I
really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the
Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in
flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around
Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts.

Peter Hitchens
(Christopher Hitchen's brother)
Columnist
The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
The Mail on Sunday
November 9, 2008
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ ... we-wa.html



I have seen many lists, and they're still coming, from civil liberties
and human-rights organizations ... But I have not yet seen on any list
the need for Obama and the now enlarged Democratic majority in Congress
to protect us from such vague, slippery language as "purposefully and
materially" that could send Americans utterly uninvolved in terrorism to
a prison cell as "enemy combatants."

Who will Obama see as 'enemy combatants'?
By Nat Hentoff *
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... entoff.htm
Village Voice columnist
World Net Daily
November 12, 2008
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=80798



===============================================
Who will Obama see as 'enemy combatants'?
By Nat Hentoff *
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... entoff.htm
Village Voice columnist
World Net Daily
November 12, 2008
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=80798


Soon after 9/11, George W. Bush, addressing Congress, said of our
murderous enemies, "They hate our freedoms!" But on Oct. 17, 2006, Bush
– following the path charted by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and
then-Attorney General
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>
Alberto Gonzales – took pride in signing the Military
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>
Commissions Act of 2006 into law, which, especially in one part,
dangerously diminishes an essential individual liberty under the
Constitution.

Last June, the Supreme Court reversed one section of the MCA that
prohibited terror suspects held at Guantanamo from using habeas corpus
to petition our civilian courts. But still in this law is a section
authorizing the president to designate as an "enemy combatant ... a
person," including an American citizen, "who has engaged in hostilities
or who has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the
United States." Lawful permanent non-citizens living here can also be
made to fit that forbidding definition.

Charlie Savage, who won a Pulitzer Prize for meticulously exposing
Bush's unprecedentedly abundant use of "signing statements" after he had
signed a bill into law – allowing him not to follow that law – wrote in
his invaluable book, "Takeover: The Return of the Imperial Presidency
and the Subversion of American Democracy" (Little Brown):

"Under the Military Commissions Act, the president (now including Barack
Obama
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>) can
seize citizens as enemy combatants even if they have nothing to do with
al-Qaida" because "an enemy combatant can be anyone 'who has
purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United
States.'"

As Savage, now with the New York Times, said to me recently, "Yes,
indeed, that is still in the law." How many American know that? Does Obama?

The Military Commissions Act was passed by the 2006
Republican-controlled Congress with the support of a sizable number of
Democrats, leery of being targeted as "soft on terrorism." But one of
its most passionate opponents was Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy of
Vermont, for whom I'd have voted enthusiastically if he'd ever run for
president.

Said Leahy, during debate on the Senate floor: "Imagine you are a
law-abiding, lawful permanent resident. ... You do charitable
fundraising for international relief agencies. ... Then one day there is
a knock at your door. The government thinks that the Muslin charity you
sent money to may be funneling money to terrorists, and it thinks you
may be involved." As a suspected enemy combatant, you can bring your
toothbrush to prison.

I have seen many lists, and they're still coming, from civil liberties
and human-rights
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>
organizations, among other groups, on what our new president and
Congress must do to resuscitate the Bill of Rights and other parts of
the Constitution.

But I have not yet seen on any list the need for Obama and the now
enlarged Democratic majority in Congress to protect us from such vague,
slippery language as "purposefully and materially" that could send
Americans utterly uninvolved in terrorism to a prison cell as "enemy
combatants."

During the next four years, or under a subsequent president, a series of
jihadist equivalents of 9/11 attacks could ignite a terrified Congress,
listening to a terrified citizenry, to demand that this definition of an
"enemy combatant" be implemented swiftly and actively.

The libertarian Cato Institute's Gene Healy – author of a valuable,
serious study, "The Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion
to Executive Power" (Cato) – made a sobering point Feb. 4:

"Barack Obama has done more than any candidate in memory to boost
expectations for the (presidential
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>)
office." But, "if and when a car bomb goes off somewhere or something
much worse in America, would a President Obama be able to resist
resorting to warrantless wiretapping (which he's already voted for as a
senator), undeclared wars or the Bush theory of unrestrained executive
power? As a Democrat without military experience, publicly perceived as
weak on national security, (Obama) would have much more to prove (to the
citizenry)."

An even more troubling cautionary note comes from Jack Goldsmith who,
while in the Bush Justice Department, tried hard to roll back that
administration's conviction that in the war on terrorism
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>,
there are times when only the president must be the law. He is the
author of "The Terror Presidency" (W.W. Norton).

Goldsmith, as quoted by Healy in Reason magazine, warns: "For
generations, The Terror Presidency will be characterized by an
unremitting fear of attack, an obsession with preventing the attack, and
a proclivity to act aggressively and pre-emptively to do so."

A future president will be aware, Goldsmith predicted, that "he alone
will be wholly responsible if thousands of Americans are killed in the
next attack." That includes Obama.

So whether actual terror does strike at home now or maybe in the
[future], it's vital for the present commander in chief and Congress to change the Military Commissions Act so that those of us allegedly purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the United States – without any evidence to support that charge – do not flood our prisons. Do we want to go back to the Japanese-American interment camps of World War II?


* Hentoff's views on journalistic responsibility and the rights of
Americans to write, think and speak freely are expressed in his weekly
column, and he has come to be acknowledged as a foremost authority in
the area of First Amendment defense. He is also an expert on the Bill of
Rights, the Supreme Court, student rights and education.


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Excellent Kimberman.
Thank you for outlining it all so nicely here. Maybe some more people will wake up to the danger just by reading this post.

Continental and Revolutionary Army = Terrorists.
Militia = Terrorists
YOU = Terrorist.

If you think Bush is your friend, and Obama is evil, you are dead wrong.
If you think Obama is your savior, and Bush is evil, you are dead wrong.

Serve, Set, Spike. They are on the same team. The only question now is, will Obama spike, or set it again for the next guy to spike it harder? Oh, and by the way, they are not setting and spiking on OUR team. They are the guys on the other side of the net.

Go James Johnson! :D

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So people are starting to figure out that all these laws passed by Republicans can also be used by Democrats too?

Wow. What a epiphany.


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White Horseradish wrote:
So people are starting to figure out that all these laws passed by Republicans can also be used by Democrats too?

Wow. What a epiphany.

LMAO.

Point, set, match.

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Time for all NRA members to join the ACLU!


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DeanC wrote:
White Horseradish wrote:
So people are starting to figure out that all these laws passed by Republicans can also be used by Democrats too?

Wow. What a epiphany.

LMAO.

Point, set, match.


+1

Damn... :lol:

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Soon Obama will be mentioned with Hitler, Stalin, Castro, The Kim's, Mao, and Pol Pot.

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Pat Cannon wrote:
Time for all NRA members to join the ACLU!


I'm sure you meant to say, "Time for all ACLU members to join the NRA." We forgive your transgression. :lol:

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