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Author: | kimberman [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:26 am ] |
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"Take off your clothes and step over to the ditch, please." Quote: "Under the Military Commissions Act, the president (now including Barack Obama can seize citizens as enemy combatants even if they have nothing to do with al-Qaida" because "an enemy combatant can be anyone 'who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States ... Yes, indeed, that is still in the law." Charlie Savage Pulitzer Prize winner For exposing Bush's "signing statements" Who will Obama see as 'enemy combatants'? By Nat Hentoff * http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... entoff.htm Village Voice columnist World Net Daily November 12, 2008 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=80798 "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Barack Obama Obama's Civilian National Security Force http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmecy94 ... re=related "I've been having some real problems with that particular statement. The idea of a 'Domestic Security Force' has rather a grim sound to it. Equal size and funding means what, exactly? Humvees? Milans? M1A1's? Helicopter gunships? And the training it would require to operate same? Educational requirements for membership? Rank structure? Pay scale? Oh, and who would finance this 'force' for domestic security. Officered by whom? Taking orders from who? Mission to do what, precisely? Somehow I can't imagine them chasing rabbits around the Nevada desert. Who do you think will emerge as the new 'Ernst Roehm' of this organization and what precisely will be that organizations charter? Do you suppose this will result in a 'Domestic Enemies List' or something of that nature. I have to say that if a Republican or even Ralph Nader suggested something of this nature that the 'Press' would be all over it and yet, thus far we hear ... nothing." Fredrick Chiaventone US Army Colonel, Command School professor and well known author In an email last night - Dan http://home.earthlink.net/~chiaventone/ http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/books/n/n146934.htm http://articles.latimes.com/writers/fre ... hiaventone CHRIS MATTHEWS: I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work ... JOE SCARBOROUGH: Is that your job? You just talked about being a journalist! MATTHEWS: Yeah, it is my job. Chris Matthews MSNBC On Morning Joe November 6, 2008 http://www.breitbart.tv/html/214673.html The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation ... I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts. Peter Hitchens (Christopher Hitchen's brother) Columnist The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth The Mail on Sunday November 9, 2008 http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ ... we-wa.html I have seen many lists, and they're still coming, from civil liberties and human-rights organizations ... But I have not yet seen on any list the need for Obama and the now enlarged Democratic majority in Congress to protect us from such vague, slippery language as "purposefully and materially" that could send Americans utterly uninvolved in terrorism to a prison cell as "enemy combatants." Who will Obama see as 'enemy combatants'? By Nat Hentoff * http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... entoff.htm Village Voice columnist World Net Daily November 12, 2008 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=80798 =============================================== Who will Obama see as 'enemy combatants'? By Nat Hentoff * http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... entoff.htm Village Voice columnist World Net Daily November 12, 2008 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=80798 Soon after 9/11, George W. Bush, addressing Congress, said of our murderous enemies, "They hate our freedoms!" But on Oct. 17, 2006, Bush – following the path charted by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and then-Attorney General <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#> Alberto Gonzales – took pride in signing the Military <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#> Commissions Act of 2006 into law, which, especially in one part, dangerously diminishes an essential individual liberty under the Constitution. Last June, the Supreme Court reversed one section of the MCA that prohibited terror suspects held at Guantanamo from using habeas corpus to petition our civilian courts. But still in this law is a section authorizing the president to designate as an "enemy combatant ... a person," including an American citizen, "who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the United States." Lawful permanent non-citizens living here can also be made to fit that forbidding definition. Charlie Savage, who won a Pulitzer Prize for meticulously exposing Bush's unprecedentedly abundant use of "signing statements" after he had signed a bill into law – allowing him not to follow that law – wrote in his invaluable book, "Takeover: The Return of the Imperial Presidency and the Subversion of American Democracy" (Little Brown): "Under the Military Commissions Act, the president (now including Barack Obama <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>) can seize citizens as enemy combatants even if they have nothing to do with al-Qaida" because "an enemy combatant can be anyone 'who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.'" As Savage, now with the New York Times, said to me recently, "Yes, indeed, that is still in the law." How many American know that? Does Obama? The Military Commissions Act was passed by the 2006 Republican-controlled Congress with the support of a sizable number of Democrats, leery of being targeted as "soft on terrorism." But one of its most passionate opponents was Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, for whom I'd have voted enthusiastically if he'd ever run for president. Said Leahy, during debate on the Senate floor: "Imagine you are a law-abiding, lawful permanent resident. ... You do charitable fundraising for international relief agencies. ... Then one day there is a knock at your door. The government thinks that the Muslin charity you sent money to may be funneling money to terrorists, and it thinks you may be involved." As a suspected enemy combatant, you can bring your toothbrush to prison. I have seen many lists, and they're still coming, from civil liberties and human-rights <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#> organizations, among other groups, on what our new president and Congress must do to resuscitate the Bill of Rights and other parts of the Constitution. But I have not yet seen on any list the need for Obama and the now enlarged Democratic majority in Congress to protect us from such vague, slippery language as "purposefully and materially" that could send Americans utterly uninvolved in terrorism to a prison cell as "enemy combatants." During the next four years, or under a subsequent president, a series of jihadist equivalents of 9/11 attacks could ignite a terrified Congress, listening to a terrified citizenry, to demand that this definition of an "enemy combatant" be implemented swiftly and actively. The libertarian Cato Institute's Gene Healy – author of a valuable, serious study, "The Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive Power" (Cato) – made a sobering point Feb. 4: "Barack Obama has done more than any candidate in memory to boost expectations for the (presidential <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>) office." But, "if and when a car bomb goes off somewhere or something much worse in America, would a President Obama be able to resist resorting to warrantless wiretapping (which he's already voted for as a senator), undeclared wars or the Bush theory of unrestrained executive power? As a Democrat without military experience, publicly perceived as weak on national security, (Obama) would have much more to prove (to the citizenry)." An even more troubling cautionary note comes from Jack Goldsmith who, while in the Bush Justice Department, tried hard to roll back that administration's conviction that in the war on terrorism <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80798#>, there are times when only the president must be the law. He is the author of "The Terror Presidency" (W.W. Norton). Goldsmith, as quoted by Healy in Reason magazine, warns: "For generations, The Terror Presidency will be characterized by an unremitting fear of attack, an obsession with preventing the attack, and a proclivity to act aggressively and pre-emptively to do so." A future president will be aware, Goldsmith predicted, that "he alone will be wholly responsible if thousands of Americans are killed in the next attack." That includes Obama. So whether actual terror does strike at home now or maybe in the [future], it's vital for the present commander in chief and Congress to change the Military Commissions Act so that those of us allegedly purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the United States – without any evidence to support that charge – do not flood our prisons. Do we want to go back to the Japanese-American interment camps of World War II? * Hentoff's views on journalistic responsibility and the rights of Americans to write, think and speak freely are expressed in his weekly column, and he has come to be acknowledged as a foremost authority in the area of First Amendment defense. He is also an expert on the Bill of Rights, the Supreme Court, student rights and education. |
Author: | Carbide Insert [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:43 am ] |
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Excellent Kimberman. Thank you for outlining it all so nicely here. Maybe some more people will wake up to the danger just by reading this post. Continental and Revolutionary Army = Terrorists. Militia = Terrorists YOU = Terrorist. If you think Bush is your friend, and Obama is evil, you are dead wrong. If you think Obama is your savior, and Bush is evil, you are dead wrong. Serve, Set, Spike. They are on the same team. The only question now is, will Obama spike, or set it again for the next guy to spike it harder? Oh, and by the way, they are not setting and spiking on OUR team. They are the guys on the other side of the net. Go James Johnson! |
Author: | White Horseradish [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:33 pm ] |
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So people are starting to figure out that all these laws passed by Republicans can also be used by Democrats too? Wow. What a epiphany. |
Author: | DeanC [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:42 pm ] |
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White Horseradish wrote: So people are starting to figure out that all these laws passed by Republicans can also be used by Democrats too? Wow. What a epiphany. LMAO. Point, set, match. |
Author: | Pat Cannon [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:10 pm ] |
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Time for all NRA members to join the ACLU! |
Author: | Jeremiah [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:11 pm ] |
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DeanC wrote: White Horseradish wrote: So people are starting to figure out that all these laws passed by Republicans can also be used by Democrats too? Wow. What a epiphany. LMAO. Point, set, match. +1 Damn... |
Author: | matt160 [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:41 pm ] |
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Soon Obama will be mentioned with Hitler, Stalin, Castro, The Kim's, Mao, and Pol Pot. |
Author: | bensdad [ Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:27 pm ] |
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Pat Cannon wrote: Time for all NRA members to join the ACLU! I'm sure you meant to say, "Time for all ACLU members to join the NRA." We forgive your transgression. |
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