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 Very BAD federal version of the CSM/Paymar bill in Minnesota 
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 Post subject: Very BAD federal version of the CSM/Paymar bill in Minnesota
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:43 pm 
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From The Firearms Coalition.

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H.R. 45 Filed on First Day
By Jeff Knox
Writer of The Knox Report, a regular feature of Shotgun News
The Firearms Coalition
January 12, 2009
<http://www.firearmscoalition.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=315&Itemid=63>


Representative Bobby Rush (D-IL) filed a comprehensive anti-gun
wish-list bill in the 111th Congress on its first day in session. No
sooner were the new members of Congress sworn in than Mr. Rush, a former
Black Panther leader, file his bill which he calls the "Blair Holt's
Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009". The bill has no
cosponsors and was automatically referred to the House Judiciary Committee.

If passed, this bill would require that anyone wishing to purchase, own,
or possess a "qualifying firearm" - that's any handgun, and any long gun
capable of accepting a detachable magazine - would have to be licensed
by the state or the federal government in a licensing program managed by
the Attorney General. To get a license you would have to prove you're
you, provide a passport-style photo, a thumbprint, and take a written
exam which includes questions about firearms safety, safe storage, the
risks of firearms ownership, and anything else the Attorney General
deems appropriate. All transfers would be required to go through a
licensed dealer with the exception of occasional gifts or bequests
between parents, children (18 or over), and grandparents, or loans of
not more than 30 days between "persons who are personally known to one
another." (It actually says that. I'm not making this up.) And all
transfers would have to be recorded in a "Transfer Record" established
and maintained by the Attorney General.

The bill also makes it a crime for a dealer to have shoddy records or
fail to appropriately cooperate with any inspectors. It makes failure to
report the loss or theft of a firearm within 72 hours a felony
punishable by up to 2 years in prison. Failure to keep a firearm locked
up in such a way as to keep it inaccessible to anyone under 18 becomes a
federal felony too.

There's more, but it's just more nonsense and I'm getting a headache.
You can read the bill by clicking here <http://thomas.loc.gov/> then
entering "HR 45" in the search box, click "Bill Number" and hit "Search."

The inescapable irony here is that the bill is named for a young man who
gave his life shielding a girl on a city bus in Chicago. Of course
Illinois already has a licensing law and Chicago has laws against
possession of almost any firearm, but still a 16-year old gang-banger
got a semi-auto pistol from a 15-year old gang-banger and told students
waiting at the bus stop what he was going to do before the bus arrived.
This sad story is just proof positive that gun control works. The
fact that the bill was introduced by Bobby Rush, former Black Panther,
is just more irony than I can stand.

The good news is that I don't think this bill is going to go anywhere,
but it does clearly indicate the direction our opponents want to take
things. Note that the bill keeps stacking more responsibility and
authority on the Attorney General. Don't let this anti-gun pipe-dream
distract you from the immediate task at hand - fighting the appointment
of Eric holder as Attorney General.

Whenever you see discussion of this or any other legislation on the gun
forums this week, please be sure to post a comment reminding folks to
send e-mails and make calls to the Senate demanding that the nomination
of Eric holder be rejected.

While H.R.45 is ugly, it is not imminent - AG Selectee Eric Holder is.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:39 pm 
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More. From Alan Korwin.
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Here’s my detailed analysis of the bill, in plain English.

HR 45

The bill starts with a statement of purpose that says: ” because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of firearms are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce.” Basically, this eliminates the Tenth Amendment and the Interstate Commerce Clause. The Constitution can’t legally be amended by statute. Is that enough to seek Mr. Rush’s removal from office? I won’t bore you with the other “purposes” which are as bad or worse.

Only “qualifying firearms” are affected. That means any handgun, or any semi-auto firearm that has a removable magazine (what they call a ” detachable ammunition feeding device”).

After the bill becomes law (IF it becomes law), it’s illegal for you to have or get those firearms, even if you already own them, without a special federal license. There are grace periods up to two years to register yourself once the law is passed.

Do you see how clever this is? You cold-dead-fingers guys can keep your guns if you like, refuse to register yourselves, and then you’re subject to arrest on the spot. If you go anywhere with your guns — to the range, a store, a gunsmith, a friend’s house, hunting, competition — and you’re spotted, you go straight to jail. If you’re already on a list (can anyone say “carry permit” or “hunting license”?) and you don’t sign up, well, just connect those dots. Where does the cold-dead-fingers part come into play? I’ll bet the ranges will start requiring you to show your papers before you can hit the line.

To get the license you must “submit to the Attorney General” (they chose that phrase right by golly): a passport-type photo, identifying info, any name you have ever used or ever been known by (I have nicknames, pen names, stage names, omitting any presumably violates the statute) a thumbprint, certification that any firearms will be “safely” stored and out of possession of people under 18, authorization to give up any mental health records, and a certificate that you passed a government-run test.

The test must include knowledge of: safe storage, safe handling, use of firearms at home, the risks of firearms at home, local state and federal legal requirements for firearms, reporting requirements for firearms, and ANY other subjects the AG decides are appropriate. You date and sign the submission, making it perjury if your info is inaccurate.

I’m skipping some details on who can accept the form, time periods for filing it and similar red tape on this 4,600 word bill. The AG “shall” issue the license if you pass the test and do everything else, and also “shall” charge you a tax for the privilege of getting your rights licensed, up to $25 at present. This gets you a tamper-resistant photo ID card with your official number, address, date of birth, signature and the expiration date of your “rights” (about five years, it’s complicated). There’s a renewal procedure (it’s complicated) and no apparent limit on the renewal tax you will be charged (the AG gets power to control the details).

The license can be revoked for cause of course, and the AG “shall” make sure you give it up if it’s revoked.

Once this thing is in place, it’s illegal to transfer or receive any affected firearm (all handguns and any semi-auto with a magazine) without the license. Transfers can only be made to or from a licensed dealer, who has to jump through hoops and file papers, and has 14 days to get that done (a waiting period on the dealer’s shoulders), to get government approvals and authorization numbers.

The dealer must send the feds the gun name and/or model number, maker, serial number, your license number, name, address and transfer date, which the feds must store in a “Federal Record of Sale System,” a permanent national gun registry.

This needs to be said verbatim: “(c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration — Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence.” That sentence says the feds can’t register the firearms Americans own:

“No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act [1986] may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established.” The Bobby Rush bill says kiss that sentence and its extremely crucial protections goodbye.

There are a few small exceptions for an undefined “infrequent” firearm gift, bequest or intestate succession among parents, their kids and grandparents and grandkids, and also for lending a firearm ” for any lawful purpose for not more than 30 days between persons who are personally known to each other.” Sloppy language in this part of the bill bans the transfer of any firearm (not just “qualifying” firearms) between anyone without going through the hoops.

If you lose a handgun or magazine-fed semi-auto, or if one is stolen from you — you’ve broken the law if you don’t report that to the AG within 72 hours.

If you own such guns, change your address and don’t notify the AG within 60 days — you’ve committed a crime. In other words, they track you non-stop or you’re subject to arrest. No victim, no harm, no foul, no evil, just government placing you in jail for failure to comply. Bobby Rush thinks this is good law, a legitimate use of government.

If you keep in your home a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammo for it, and a person under 18 gets it and harms someone with it — you’ve committed a crime. There are some flimsy exceptions (like you know or should reasonably know federal and state gun law for kids) and of course, all the “proper” authorities — federal, state, local, military, elected, appointed, even employees of government on the job are exempted — twice. Bobby Rush says OK for thee but not for me, tee hee.

Lengthy penalty sections include two-, five- and ten-year sentences and fines for paperwork violations, possession violations, transfer violations, child-access violations, safe-storage violations and of course, failure to pass the test if you still keep your guns.

The bill ends with sweeping powers for the Attorney General that could be interpreted to mean almost anything, so the details I’ve described might be little more than a smokescreen! For instance: “The Attorney General may issue an order prohibiting the sale or transfer of any firearm that the Attorney General finds has been transferred or distributed in violation of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or a regulation issued under this Act.”

There’s plenty of that in here, plus endless inspection powers, injunctive powers and even, “shall issue regulations… as the Attorney General determines to be reasonably necessary to reduce or prevent deaths or injuries resulting from qualifying firearms…” Is the AG someone we can trust? Or is it someone with utter contempt for the right to keep and bear arms? If it’s Eric Holder, Obama’s nominee, we get a guy who told the Supreme Court that a total gun ban in your own home is just fine and doesn’t violate the Bill of Rights.

Oh, and one final kick in the ribs. Federalism, the idea that states have powers the feds don’t, could get in the way. So the bill makes it clear that “…this Act may not be construed to preempt any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision of that State… except to the extent that the provision of law is inconsistent with any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act…” I am not making this up. The hubris and audacity of this bill’s author is monumental. My lawyer friends will tell me that legal mumbo-jumbo has become SOP, as the feds usurp any remaining crumbs of your state’s legitimate powers.

Maybe you’ve noticed that virtually none of this addresses criminals or crimes. Innocent gun owners are the target. This is about controlling the public and its private constitutionally protected property. Criminals are guaranteed to ignore the entire plan, and in fact, criminals CANNOT apply, since they can’t possess firearms in the first place. Even if criminals could apply, they’re protected from incriminating themselves by the Fifth Amendment, so they never would apply.

The bill of course makes no mention of this. That’s my job. And people tell me I’m paranoid, that gun bans are just a delusional fantasy of the wacko fringe. What does that say about Bobby Rush from Illinois, the perpetrator of this travesty. He and every co-sponsor he can find should be removed from office. Wherever he appears, people should rise and turn their backs on him as a gesture of disgrace.


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I can't even comment on this.

It makes me so mad that these "people" like Bobby Rush see fit to spit on the graves of so many good men and women who have given their lives in the defense of everything this country was founded upon and offers to the world.

Revolting.

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Carbide Insert wrote:
Revolting.


That may be necessary.

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JoeH wrote:
That may be necessary.


Well, perhaps indeed.
But what I meant was more along these lines:

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Someone dupped this in another section today before it was locked down. But as long as it's alive again it might be worth mentioning that H.R. 45 probably isn't as great a threat as it seems, even if it were to sail through Congress to thunderous applause.

Concepts like Federal firearms registration, machine guns and AOWs notwithstanding, were pretty much concreted as being not kosher during the hubbub following the 1986 laws. A lot of confused people at the Capitol were educated about intrastate/interstate regulatory relationships, and watched dumbly as their laws were swiftly undone.

Even if it somehow passed unanimously in both houses, Bob Rush and a lot of other oblivious reps and senators will end up scratching their heads when--and it will probably have wind its way up to SCOTUS--it is explained to them that most of the teeth in their golden bill were pulled before the game even started. So let him tell it on the mountain tops.

Of course some of the bill's other implications still totally suck.

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Erik Paulsen's Response

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Dear Mosin:

Thank you for letting me know of your opposition to H.R. 45, the Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act.

Like you, I believe that Minnesota has a long, proud history of enjoying the outdoors as well as providing the necessary regulations for firearms safety and enforcement. I do not intend to support this legislation.

Thanks again for sharing your concerns, as I appreciate hearing from you. Please let me know whenever I can be of assistance.

Sincerely,

Erik Paulsen
Member of Congress


I wish he mentioned 2A in there instead of "the outdoors" but at least he won't support it.

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