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 Former John....Governor of New York on Gun Control 
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 4:35 am 
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Gun Control Without Gun Laws
How Obama can use government procurement regulations to limit gun violence.
By Eliot Spitzer and Peter B. Pope
Posted Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at 7:05 AM ET

Ever since Al Gore lost the presidency in 2000, the national Democratic Party has avoided the issue of gun control. The Obama White House recently made it clear—abandoning a campaign pledge—that it won't push for a legislative ban on the sale of assault weapons. Yet a series of provocative recent events has revived the gun debate: the international tension arising from Mexican drug gangs using guns purchased at American stores, the 10th anniversary of Columbine, and a Supreme Court case invalidating a District of Columbia law prohibiting the possession of guns at home.

Political reality makes even a modest gun law a difficult legislative sell. But if the Obama administration really cares about limiting gun violence, it could pursue a different strategy, one that doesn't involve Congress and isn't likely to provoke a storm of opposition.

Modern government is not only a lawmaker. Indeed, the most effective executive powers may not derive from statutes at all. The government that President Obama oversees is also a gigantic, well-funded procurement agent. And it can—and should—use that power to change American gun policies. Specifically, the government buys lots of guns, for sheriffs, patrol officers, and detectives; for FBI agents, DEA agents, IRS agents, Postal Inspectors, immigration agents, and park rangers; and for soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and spies. The government buys guns by the crate.

What is striking is that the government buys guns from manufacturers who also sell them to criminals—either knowingly or by willfully overlooking the behavior of the retail outlets that the gun companies use as their distribution system. Those of us who were in law enforcement in New York City in the late '80s and early '90s remember how drug dealers pioneered the use of 9-mm guns. We heard over and over from our friends in the police department that they were outgunned, that their service revolvers were no match for semi-automatics in a shootout. So what did the police do? The New York City Police Department finally bought 9-mms, too. It was a classic arms race, with the gun manufacturers in the economically enviable position of selling bigger and better guns to both sides.

This prompts a simple question: Why do we buy guns from companies that permit their products to be sold to bad guys?

In this era of government ownership of financial institutions, we are getting more used to the notion that government as an economic actor can exercise its power in differing ways. After all, firms that received TARP money are subject to a bevy of pay restrictions—wisely constructed or not—and were forced to cancel showy parties and retreats.

If we can use a capital infusion to a bank as an opportunity to control executive compensation and to limit use of private planes, why can't the government use its weight as the largest purchaser of guns from major manufacturers to reward companies that work to keep their products out of criminals' hands? Put another way, if it is too difficult to outlaw bad conduct through statutes, why not pay for good conduct? Why not require vendors to change their behavior if they want our tax dollars?

Just as we now "purchase" good corporate behavior in the financial industry, let it be so with guns. Governors and mayors and federal officials should buy guns from only manufacturers that control their product distribution, from manufacturers that cut off dealers whose guns end up disproportionately in the hands of criminals. In the New York attorney general's office nine years ago, we proposed several ways of constraining gun manufacturers within existing laws. These same proposals could be implemented now. Nongun manufacturers across the nation routinely control how their product is distributed and impose contractual obligations on wholesalers and retailers. Gun companies should have to use a similar approach. They should sell their product through only authorized dealers. And the authorized dealers should have to keep track of how many times they got "trace" inquiries from law enforcement—that is, how many guns they sold were later used by criminals. Dealers that sold a disproportionate number of "crime guns" would have to fix the problem, something that might be as easy as retraining staff to react to "straw" purchasers who were trying to evade existing laws. Data showing that a high percentage of guns used in crime come from a small subset of dealers suggest that closing these few retailers could have a dramatic impact on access to illegal guns. Likewise, the government could require manufacturers to make a few simple design changes in the interest of safety and tracking: trigger locks, or hidden serial numbers, or a magazine safety disconnect on every pistol.

More fundamentally, companies could be told to stop selling certain types of weapons to the general public. If a manufacturer did not comply with any of the limitations, then it would be excluded from the list of companies with which the government would do business.

In 2000, this idea's time had not come. The government did not so boldly exercise its prerogatives as owner and purchaser. It did not freely insist that companies receiving our tax dollars change their practices—even in fundamental ways—if they wanted our money. Today, of course, this is the way business is done.

If President Obama wants to devise a creative way to limit gun violence, he will use his power as the world's largest consumer to require the cooperation of gun manufacturers. If government cannot legislate the conduct it wants, then it can use market power to buy it. For the money we are spending, we should buy not only guns but some peace from gun violence.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:20 am 
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More fundamentally, companies could be told to stop selling certain types of weapons to the general public. If a manufacturer did not comply with any of the limitations, then it would be excluded from the list of companies with which the government would do business.


I have wondered why some companies don't do the opposite, refuse to sell to overly restrictive state governments, such as California.

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I have wondered why some companies don't do the opposite, refuse to sell to overly restrictive state governments, such as California.


A couple have; Barrett and one of the high-end 1911 makers. Other like Kimber choose to sell guns to the LAPD that CA citizens are unable to buy, yet residents in most other states can.

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This is the system you guys propose we try to work through to protect ourselves? These are the scumbags we need protection from. They can be trusted only to serve themselves and their own interests. The system is broken. Irrevocably. Go ahead, convince yourselves I'm wrong. Gets harder all the time, doesnt it?




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I'd like to know how many guns all government entities buy every year. I bet that if you exclude the military U.S. civilians buy more guns than law enforcement.

The Slate article assumes that the government has enough market power that a company would rather sell to it than the consuming public. I doubt that is the case. As usual, the liberals ignore reality and argue for what they think or feel should be right. This is especially true when you include that fact that the U.S. federal government isn't buying the guns for the local cops. The feds might be supplying pork money to do it, but the local states are doing the actual purchasing.

From the comments at Slate:
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Active duty U.S. military: 1,455,000
U.S. military reserve forces: 848,000
Federal/state/local sworn law enforcement officers: 837,000

Total government employees with guns: 3,140,000

Non-government gun owners: 80,000,000

Ratio of non-government to government: 25:1, presuming all state and local governments go along with Spitzer's federal policy. (Highly unlikely, given that most states have rejected the "assault weapons" ban philosophy.)

Which market would you give up?

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/2725329.aspx?ArticleID=2217117

QuiChenKane - Yes, the system is broken, but it may not be irrevocably so. The problem is not the politicians, who I suspect you would agree can always be viewed as corrupt, but the voters who put them in office. Unless you can convince your fellow voters to elect "good" representatives, yes, things are only going to get worse.


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Total government employees with guns: 3,140,000

Non-government gun owners: 80,000,000


Yeah, and cops tend to have only one or two guns each. We are by far the bigger market. :)

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