It's a common trait among that little segment of society.

The FBI lists animal torture by youth as a serious warning sign of mental disorders, including ASPD.

-Mark

How can someone do that to a precious animal?

I have troubles upgrading her crime because it was a cute kitten. We used to trap and shoot cute bunnies, beavers and other similar fare. What she did was despicable but how is it different from a leg hold or drowning type trap.

Here's the question:

Did you do it for the purpose of sheer torture?

If no, you did it for trapping / hunting, then I'm not worried about your mental state.

If yes, then we've got a problem.

-Mark

For us that makes a difference, but to a tree hugger or animal rights activists, does that make a difference? (acting here as Avocat du Diable), A violently anti fur or trapping individual might say that my pursuit of prey by means of an instrument of torture or slow death was in fact nothing more than me killing for pleasure........I like to trap, does that mean "I was killing for pleasure"? This is my conundrum, I despise what she did, but making it MORE of a crime by adding the "torture" of the pet, does that open the door for others to pursue us?

Let us go further.





NOTE>>>> these are generic "deer hunter" pics chosen off google image search, I am in no way involving any of the above in the discussion except ONLY as illustrations.......

All of the above people are smiling at the dead deer, (as would I and most likely anyone else here). Does this mean they enjoyed "torturing and killing" those animals? What is the dividing point? I particularly chose the last two as children, because of the mention of "torturing" animals as a child as being a precursor to becoming a mass murderer, or serial killer. I am quite certain that some people list killing deer by the use of a pointy stick and sharp blade as being beyond civilized, and feel its horrendous.


What I am afraid of when I see an article like this, and the common cry to dip her in batter and deep fry her, or to kill her as unsalvageable being, that we are in fact giving our enemies weapons to use upon us at a future date.

In no way am I defending her. I do ask that we examine how it is we attack her, while opening ourselves to attack.

So you want to make it a hate crime because of her state of mind? This sounds like the logic I've heard used for hate crime legislation, which I'm not a fan of..

Now, something noone has mentioned here yet.. Why do we teach Home Economics in high schools! If she wouldn't have been taught how to use an oven in school, this would've never happened! Maybe her mom should be charged for teaching her how to use such a dangerous killing machine!

Correction.............

A future WELFARE MOTHER OF 10!

That sick b*tch needs to be exterminated with the next 'round' made by the local 'pest control'.

F***'in psycho b*tch!

Here's a little quiz:

Did you eat it or donate the meat to a charity? Yes (you are cool) No (you may be a sicko)

Did you use the fur and or other body parts for something? Yes (you are cool) No (you may be a sicko)

Did you use a method to kill the animal attempting to be as quick as possible? Yes (you are cool) No (you may be a sicko)

Was your hunting/ trapping legal, in the appropriate season for appropriate prey? Yes (you are cool) No (you may be a sicko)

Was your taking of an animal's life part of another felony such as a residential burglary? No (you are cool) Yes (you may be a sicko)


I think this little 5 question quiz does a decent job of establishing the dividing line. If the majority of your answers point to sicko. . .. well, here's your T-shirt. If the majority of your answers point to "you are cool" I wouldn't sweat the one or two that might indicate otherwise. Of course the last two seem like they should be weighted a little extra heavy . . . it is too early in the AM for me to get creative like that. . . so we'll just stick to 5 questions and go with the majority wins.

most of the people who will think this is cruel are going to be more liberal and, from what I've seen, a higher percentage of vegetarians compared to most people who think hunting is ok.. So there may be no way to take the life of an animal without being called a sicko.

you've never seen people throw paint on people wearing fur coats?

again.. these people feel any way of killing is bad.. doesn't matter if its fast or not..

until all hunting is banned

so once hunting is a felony..

I know people personally that would want to make it a felony for any type of animal killing. They, basically, want to make it the same as taking a human life.. Remember, these questions seem logical to us, but not to those against us.. We're sick for even thinking the above questions should be answered the "you are cool" way..

Nope. I'm anti-hate crime legislation. I'm just stating the method I use to determine if someone is a future psychopathic waste of oxygen.

I've yet to meet a hunter that enjoys torturing an animal. I'm sure they're out there, and they're scum. But I've yet to meet one.

-Mark

But who defines torture? I never liked drowning traps because I felt they were less then fast, but they were the norm for hundreds of years, until the conibear style evolved. I know lots of people who consider leg hold or drowning traps to be very cruel, at some point, it comes down to who is in power, and who is making the rules. What was once considered very normal procedures are now considered extremely cruel in todays "enlightened" world.....

She probably is/ has been. . . . the results probably just didn't make it past whatever public restroom door she happened to be behind at the time.



If we define the heinousness of this particular crime on a framework where only the action of killing the cat was what was going on. . . . we are missing something. It is easy for us to understand when SWAT teams take out the Rottwieler/pit mixes guarding the drug den with silenced .22's as a step in a raid. We all recognize that it is utter crap when the SWAT team takes out the wiener dog or the arthritic golden retriever with a shottie. When the SWAT team hits the wrong house or serves a dirty warrant and kills a family pet the whole neighborhood knows to be gentle and harmless. . . . we regard it as the actions of subhuman scum. Well, this little witch wasn't on a SWAT team. No matter what house she "hit" it was going to be a wrong house raid. Moreover it is a cat, not even a nanny cam teddy bear . . . it isn't like the cat was going to be able to testify against her. . . . it was a cat, not even a semi-adequate guard dog .. it isn't like the cat was going to defend the house from the burglary or bark to alert the neighbors. Context! It isn't just that a cat was killed. It was that a cat was killed over and above an already inexcusable crime. Holding it down with one foot and headstomping it would be bad, but an act of impulse. . . putting it in the oven and turning the oven on shows something else, a forethought, a desire to be cruel and that is where the line is when we want to talk about defining torture.

While cooking your kitty in your oven is a crappy fate for the kitty, it is the discovery by you and your family that is the real cruelty when this happens. That has to be a life changing experience for human beings and that merits a severe response.

I don't think a hunting/trapping comparison is a valid way of comparing conduct.

Ok. Then. Let's compare cooking lobster. The approved method is to drop the ALIVE into boiling water.

B.S.…..The actions of the perp were purely manifest evil. There is NO correlation with hunting/trapping ethics, or culinary practices - NONE. Any suggestion of such is more than just a reach.